Author	Topic:   k-9 handler
MAC	posted 9/18/03 11:24 PM     In defense of my profession(contract k-9 handler), my involvement with school districts is for the safety of the students attending(should we have to live through another Columbine?) i have previous lav enforcement background and my dogs are not multi-task dogs...meaning i have one dog for dope, one for weapons, and for explosives. Students that are being searched and have no contraband on them are the product of school officials not researching the company they contract out. I have very little, if no, searches with nothing found. I have results with every alert that i have and my students, parents and schools are very happy with the job that i and my teammates do. We should never have to send our children to a school that is unsafe where another Columbine could take place at any minute and i feel sorry for students that have been put through traumatic searches for no reason but administrators are trying to feel safe in a land of raging hormones and unsure thoughts. For the student's that are doing illegal drugs, it should be kept at home. School is not the place for it and if they were applying for a job they would be drug tested.
Spock	posted 9/23/03 1:45 AM     While I salute the great job you're doing MAC I've gotta add that drugs and weapons have no place at the Post Office, Wal-Mart or McDonalds either so why are you not carrying on random searches at those places? In 2002 more people were killed by gunfire at those institutions than in the public schools. More drugs and booze are sold and used at our local dance hall and underneath the high school football statium bleachers on one Friday night than there is at our school in a month, never seen the dogs there either. Point being, there's only one place that society won't rise up and cry foul at these searches and that's at our public schools. So, in effect, law enforcement is saying you loose your rights when you walk through the school door, period. There is no other way to take this. You won't do it to the general public because you are afraid of who you might catch.
Spock	posted 9/23/03 1:45 AM     While I salute the great job you're doing MAC I've gotta add that drugs and weapons have no place at the Post Office, Wal-Mart or McDonalds either so why are you not carrying on random searches at those places? In 2002 more people were killed by gunfire at those institutions than in the public schools. More drugs and booze are sold and used at our local dance hall and underneath the high school football statium bleachers on one Friday night than there is at our school in a month, never seen the dogs there either. Point being, there's only one place that society won't rise up and cry foul at these searches and that's at our public schools. So, in effect, law enforcement is saying you loose your rights when you walk through the school door, period. There is no other way to take this. You won't do it to the general public because you are afraid of who you might catch.
Jo	posted 9/24/03 3:41 AM     Save it Spock. America as we knew it died after 9-11, it's over and done. I'm in total agreement with you but so many things will be done to undermine your rights (in the name of antiterrorism) it'll make your head swim. Anytime they catch two Afgannies even dreaming about an attack it'll hit the front page as ANOTHER SPLINTER GROUP SET ON DESTROYING AMERICA WAS UNEARTHED AND DEFUSED, that's how it will look in the controlled press. That's all it takes to get another camera mounted on a street corner, make you give a fingerprint as an I.D. or let some flea bitten mutt sniff your car after being pulled over for a bad tail light. Americans are being dumbed down, totally nummed and brain dead. Drug dogs in our schools is one of the biggest crimes ever bestowed on our young adults but that was years ago. It's the last thing people worry about today and that's why bloodsuckers like the dude that started this topic will continue to hammer out a living doing his evil.
Ben Gilkey	posted 9/25/03 0:33 AM     Spock or whatever your name is,For your information, drug dogs are ofetn used in post offices but the government does not own Mcdonalds. They do own public schools just as they own the highway you drive on. Scools and highways are public prperty NOT personal property. That is where the line is drawn as toi whether your rights are being violated or not. If a drug dog is brought into your home without a warrant, serious probable cause, or your permission, then you can say your rights are being violated. but in kaw enforcement we look out for the nes that want to do right and to hell with the ones that wont do right and make sorry aass excuses for not doing right(for example Starting a forum to critisize police officers and K-9 handlers.) Law enforcement is the only thing that stand between you and total chaos. Look at other countries and you will see what i am talking about.
Ben Gilkey	posted 9/25/03 0:33 AM     Spock or whatever your name is,For your information, drug dogs are ofetn used in post offices but the government does not own Mcdonalds. They do own public schools just as they own the highway you drive on. Scools and highways are public prperty NOT personal property. That is where the line is drawn as toi whether your rights are being violated or not. If a drug dog is brought into your home without a warrant, serious probable cause, or your permission, then you can say your rights are being violated. but in kaw enforcement we look out for the nes that want to do right and to helll with the ones that wont do right and make sorry aass excuses for not doing right(for example Starting a forum to criticize police officers and K-9 handlers.) Law enforcement is the only thing that stand between you and total chaos. Look at other countries and you will see what i am talking about.
Ben Gilkey	posted 9/25/03 0:34 AM     Spock or whatever your name is,For your information, drug dogs are ofetn used in post offices but the government does not own Mcdonalds. They do own public schools just as they own the highway you drive on. Scools and highways are public prperty NOT personal property. That is where the line is drawn as toi whether your rights are being violated or not. If a drug dog is brought into your home without a warrant, serious probable cause, or your permission, then you can say your rights are being violated. but in kaw enforcement we look out for the nes that want to do right and to helll with the ones that wont do right and make sorry aass excuses for not doing right(for example Starting a forum to criticize police officers and K-9 handlers.) Law enforcement is the only thing that stands between the freedom and peace you enjoy and total chaos. Look at other countries and you will see what i am talking about.
Spock	posted 9/26/03 6:03 AM     "In law enforcement we look out for the ones that do it right and to hell with the ones that don't." At least I think that's what you said. In other words play ball with us and you'll be fine. That statement stands on it's own, I don't need to tear it down any further, you've already done it. What concerns me is that you actually think that the rights of Americans change depending on what turf you're standing on. In the Post office it's different than if you're ordering a burger at Mickey D's and you have no rights in school but right next door at Wal-Mart or your home you get every right afforded by our forfathers. My God man! Show me one place in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights where it tells us it's different depending on geography. In fact, since the Post Office and the school is paid for by the tax money of the citizens I'm not really sure you can convince anyone that we Americans don't own it all. Hey, the Constitution is as clear as glass. What lawyers and politicians have done to circumvent it doesn't make it right.
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K-9	posted 10/24/03 10:51 PM     I guess everything with spock is a consipiracy.
reality ck	posted 10/25/03 1:57 PM     Mac, everything you wrote is "common sense" and what I have been doing for years...tell me, your not that one private company who pursuades school administrators and students that it makes SENSE to pull a girl out of class in front of her peers by a drug sniffing canine simply because she had MIDOL in her purse days ago prior to your arival? If so, have you known any DANGER or LIFE threatening situation involving midol, aspirin etc...in a school? And what about the kid with a gun or drugs to be sold in the next classroom you never got to go in and check with your canine because your busy with the girl in the office who had midol in her purse over the weekend? Hope your not that company because this is one of the reasons you have persons in this forum complaining about drug dogs in schools..drugs, alcohol and weapons are illegal at ALL times on school property and even a odor that resides after the weekend gives reasonable suspicion to conduct a search on school property and posses a concern to parents and administrators if they have or have had any of those items prior to the sniff of a canine leading to a search. There is even a company that states a "SELECT GROUP OF MEDS"...makes you wonder if they do not identify scent discrimination to their clients due to unknowns and validation purposes of their canines which in turn provide reasonable suspicion to conduct a search under the 4th amendment.
reality ck	posted 11/22/03 4:26 PM     SPOCK....watch alot of "star trek"?? Here is a reality check for you back down on earth. It does matter what "turf" you are standing on. Sorry for your reality ck...but i had to let you know since you dont think it matters where you are standing when it comes to your rights...it does..I will give you a hint and let you do your own research so that you become a little wiser when it concerns your civil rights. Here is your hint: private property...government property..public property.. now go look them up and see what you find out..you might find yourself a little more educated on the subject of civil rights. your welcome on the lesson!
Spock	posted 11/25/03 7:21 PM     Reality Ck. Read carefully, maybe I should write in crayon so you can grasp it better. I'll re-ask the question: "Show me one place in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights where it tells us our rights are different depending on geography"...it's that simple, please answer it and stay on focus.
Peggy	posted 11/26/03 1:07 AM     It's indefensible, RC can't answer it without bias. The constitution and our great bill of rights says nothing about our basic rights changing because we go next door or down the road 2 miles. What's odd is that McDonalds is a private venture, we have no say in what rules they set for their restaurants. If theres any place you would expect such a violation of rights it would be in a place like that, yet they wouldn't even think of doing a dog search. It's curious that the only places they strip away your rights is in some of the places WE the American public owns, and we DO own the post offices and schools. I would like to hear what RC has to say about that. What I really want to hear is why dog teams will not go into the local biker bar where weed is sold in the open but will go do a school at the drop of a hat? It's all about money dude. You loose the school accounts and many dog sniffing companies go down the tubes. You're going to keep pounding on that last little vestige of income like your life depends on it.
Panic Attack	posted 11/26/03 1:48 AM     Tell me MAC. How are you going to stop another Columbine by having dogs in the schools a couple of times a month? Unless you're lucky enough to have the guns in the lockers the day they're there. Most school shootings involve some flipped out kid barging into the school at the opening bell, or right after lunch and blasting away before the door closes behind him. What's a dog gonna do? Give him just one more target? Wanna stop stuff like this? Teach the cops and teachers how to do their jobs before events like this occur. I don't care if it's 911, Waco, Columbine or the D.C. Sniper, the news media always uncovers clues leading up to these events that makes law enforcement look stupid. About 5 or 10 times a year we hear about some kid bringing his daddy's gun to school and showing it off to his buddies. The whole place goes into a panic and you know the rest of the story. The question you SHOULD be asking is how in the heck did this little f@rt get that thing into the building in the first place and why didn't anyone notice it until recess at 1pm! The dogs were there a week ago, they sure didn't help! Save your "Columbine Saga" for the non-thinking. Dogs preventing school catastrophes is just window dressing, it's part of the sales pitch given by these low life canine companies.
Jen	posted 11/30/03 2:58 PM     THat's true. No kid planning a massacre is going to leave weapons in the locker long enough for a dog to do anything about it.
reality ck	posted 12/4/03 4:13 PM     peggie and panic attack> YES...the dogs have stopped shootings...they have identified students who have been thinking of things like the incident you refered to...even suicide and gang shootings that were to occur after school but the dogs came and discovered weapons..unless you have seen the program in its entirity...you shouldnt comment on the dogs not stopping anything....just in our city a week ago, the canines found dynomite on 2 high school kids and one 4th grader..do you think that could cause another columbine??? get smart and wise to reality and then put your post up!!
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K-9Three	posted 12/12/03 9:30 PM     Spock, I really dont think you understand law at all. What it comes down to is your right to privacy, for instance, your in a public restroom using dope in a stall and typical joe blow cop comes in to use the head. he may smell your dope and even see the smoke coming from above the stall, but you have a right to privacy in that stall. Now if your were standing at the urinal smoking a J and the same cop walked in, your probally going to get some grief, because youve now lost that right to privacy by being in the public common area of the restroom. And as for the local walmart or mickey d's, dope and bomb dogs can work in these business's without a warrant or consent, because the business is open to the public and allow the public to come and go as they please. For the same reason you can be arrested for drunk in public inside of your local bar. As long as the area is a public common area and access is not controlled, anyone can enter and exit freely, giving law enforcement jurisdiction for its search anytime they feel darn good and ready!
Spock	posted 12/13/03 4:22 PM     <<<<<And as for the local walmart or mickey d's, dope and bomb dogs can work in these business's without a warrant or consent, because the business is open to the public and allow the public to come and go as they please.>>>>> My point exactly. Why aren't you there with the same regularity as you are at the schools? Why aren't you at KNOWN party areas where drugs are used with more regularity than they are on the high school campuses? Why aren't you at the parking lot at the Friday night high school football game where cars are loaded with booze and weed? The answer to the last question is you're afraid of who you'll catch, simple as that. In the case of the other businesses, and GET CLEAR ON THIS my friend, they'ld run you off. Major business holds more power with the city council than you do. Once you crash a bar or Micky D's, expose your tactics, come up with false positive alerts...well, your methods would not stand up in the light of day in the real world. When the McDonald Corp places a call to your local Mayor expressing concern, searches in THAT place are over and done. You search schools because it's the only little pocket of safety left for you, it's easy pickins, very sellable and it's a steady income.
Cooler than you	posted 12/15/03 3:08 AM     Read K93's last sentence and you can see how this can happen.......................Police Terrorize Students in Ill-Conceived Drug Raid National Student Group Condemns Heavy-Handed Tactics WASHINGTON, D.C. - On Wednesday, fourteen Goose Creek police officers occupied Stratford High School in Berkeley County, South Carolina. Police stormed the school and detained 107 students at gunpoint, demanding they lie on the ground and submit to an extensive search involving drug-sniffing dogs. No drugs were found. Parents and students expressed disbelief, outrage, and frustration at school Principal George McCrackin, who not only ordered the raid but also maintains it was a "valuable experience" for the students. "As a result of this so-called 'valuable experience,' many Stratford parents and students have awoken to the sad fact that the victims of US drug policy are too often America's youth," said Ian Mance, a Charleston native and Students for Sensible Drug Policy (SSDP) Board Member. "The students I work with in SSDP realize this fact, and we actively organize opposition to Drug War policies that adversely impact us."..............It's called "Macho Gone Mad". A bunch of cops and one principle so separated from the beliefs of normal society that they have'nt a clue of how America operates. And K93...you should have seen the photos that went with the story, captured on the hallway video camera. Dozens upon dozens of students laying face down on a tile floor while dogs searched them, the cops had guns drawn and many had them pointed at the students...you would have been so proud.
Get a life	posted 12/17/03 5:59 AM     I'm amazed at the militarization of our local police, this is absurd, these cops are demons. KSAT, a local SC station polled people in the area where this happenned and 76% say that these tactics were HEAVY HANDED. 64% say dogs should not be in the schools at all.
k9handlerdave	posted 12/18/03 6:18 PM     Most of the parents in this county likes the idea of drug dogs checking out the school. The parents that don't and protest are usually the one's using the kids to move it or sell it. I REST MY CASE ON THIS ONE.
Chris	posted 12/19/03 1:08 AM     WELCOME TO SCHOOLS OF THE FUTURE DAVE, READ ON, YOU'LL LOVE IT> Boyfriend and girlfriend, 15-year-olds Brandon Kizi and Andra Ferguson are both asthma sufferers and both students at Caney Creek High School. At least, they were, until Andra began suffering an asthma attack at school. "I couldn't breathe, and I was just very short of breath," recalled Andra. "My chest was tightened up and it was hurting." Brandon described the incident. "Her face was turning a little reddish-pink and she looked pale, as far as I could see. I loaned her my inhaler. I walked her to the nurse's office and loaned her my inhaler." That's when the trouble started. The school nurse called the school police, who arrested Brandon. They charged him with a felony, namely distributing a dangerous drug for loaning out his prescription inhaler. Andra's mother thinks that's wrong. "His (inhaler) is the very same thing. And he has had my permission to give her that medication any time she forgets it," said Sandra Ferguson. But school officials say that Brandon had been warned about loaning his inhaler, and that new state laws mean their hands are tied when it comes to zero tolerance and drugs. Brandon now faces mandatory expulsion from school and criminal charges in juvenile court. His mother is outraged. Theresa Hock said, "It's so unfair. My son was helping her out. And now he's facing criminal charges. Would they rather have had her die than my son to help her?" Brandon has a hearing on Friday to determine how long he'll be expelled for. In addition, he still has to go to juvenile court to deal with that felony charge.
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K-9crazy	posted 10/8/04 7:57 PM     False positive alert? and just what is that? Are you saying that becuase there was nothing found at the time, that no contraband was there previously leaving behind odor that the dog detected. Wow your amazing. Who needs dug dogs when theres a know it all like you around. And if some of you believe that dogs in schools aren't the anwser, do you know what the anwser is. Thats just what I thought. You just want to wine about something.

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