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| Author | Topic: PFS '07 - Date POLL! |
| mp |
posted 12/6/06 10:32 PM
Here's the deal...PFS 2007 will be in Dorchester, IA. There are two choices for the weekend. #1 - Traditional, First Weekend in December (Friday November 30th prefish, Tournament December 1st, Post Fish December 2nd) #2 - "Early" - 2nd weekend of November. FSS as before, being November 9,10 and 11. Please cast your vote only once. Vote for "Traditional", "Early" or "Abstain" if the dates really don't matter to you! Already looking forward to our 3rd victory in 2007 (and the retirement of the Tucker). MP http://www.ramblingreports.com MP's Rambling Reports |
| mp |
posted 12/6/06 10:33 PM
One more note, please cast your vote no later than Sunday, December 17th, 2006! MP votes to "Abstain". MP http://www.ramblingreports.com MP's Rambling Reports |
| Fatmatt |
posted 12/6/06 11:14 PM
Due to frost bitten ears, and painfully numb fingers, coupled with the 8 degree STATIC temps, I a say EARLY!!! |
| Tim "The Enchanter" |
posted 12/7/06 3:54 AM
So what we are saying is...it is going to snow on November 9, 2007! The cold did not bother me much - maybe when I had to run outside to piss at 4:10 AM - holy crap! Luckily the fly was working and couldn't be "changed" anyway, but tying small flies on small tippet ranks low in the fun while fishing department. I will vote for an earlier start, and for the fact that we may get about 50-60 minutes more daylight and some recently stocked waters. Some people may get a day off on Monday for Veteran's Day too. Neil?? |
| Red Hat |
posted 12/7/06 4:18 AM
I'm down with an earlier date moreso because then we don't have to contend with the orange horde for lodging although I think Big Joe's was the bomb for lodging. However, the earlier November date makes it tough for me because I AM one of the orange horde here in Minnesoty and that's prime time for me if i don't plug one the week prior. I'll defer to my esteemed colleagues. Good point regarding Vets Day Enchanter. Red Hat |
| Tim "The Enchanter" |
posted 12/7/06 1:13 PM
Oh - yeah, not getting shot is a good thing too, and sneaking up on a hole with trout wearing blaze orange adds to the challenge. I checked out the sun rise times and average temps - I was close, for Decorah: Nov 10th = 43 minutes more sunlight vs. Dec. 2. Nov 10th = 46/29 avg. high/low; Dec. 3rd = 34/18. This past week we had 25/9 on Saturday and 16/9 on Sunday. So Sunday's high was lower than that average low temp!! Droplets were forming into ice on the leader while casting! |
| Tim "The Enchanter" |
posted 12/7/06 1:17 PM
Red Hat - you can do both! Fish the smackdown on Saturday and on Sunday morning drive 3 miles up the road and work take out a couple deer trying to sneak across the border into Iowa! Thanks for the steak man! Delicious. |
| gerry greene |
posted 12/7/06 1:52 PM
As this was my first PFS, I vote for earlier. As long as I have a place for nap in the afternoon. wake me for dinner |
| G-Man |
posted 12/7/06 3:13 PM
I vote earlier. Honestly, the cold wasn't THAT bad, although the guides freezing up kind of sucked. I also wonder how hard it was on the fish to be out in those temps. Plus, a good bonfire is hard to beat, and no one wants to do that in single digits. An extra 45 minute of daylight is nice too. G-Man |
| HDS |
posted 12/8/06 2:56 AM
I go with the masses in Saying earlier. The first weekend in Dec. is tough for me with school and finals being the following week. Also - that early in Nov will provide some dry fly action and larger day bags. H http://www.sershenbros.net |
| Ole Hook Ass |
posted 12/10/06 5:15 AM
My vote is for earlier, as well. Being able to feel ones extremities is a definite plus. And, as Tim said, there may be fising to be had in some of the seasonal streams yet at that time. |
| Ole Hook Ass |
posted 12/10/06 5:55 AM
whaddaya say we make this a true team tournament and alter the rules to reflect that? say at least three team members? that way, scoring will be more even in the sense that teams that have more than one person can compete with those consisting of just one person. i think we've seen that the over the last couple years the advantage has been to have just one person on a team. i think it just makes it more competitive, unpredictable, and fun with more people on a team to contribute to the score. just my two cents. |
| HDS |
posted 12/10/06 9:30 AM
my only competition is with the fish. three man teams may make it tough, who else wants to fish something that goes deep is pink and wet? thats what I thought, three people? only if we can force them... Besides, if it goes in early november its an entirely different box of flies compared to first weekend december... http://www.sershenbros.net |
| Red Hat |
posted 12/10/06 5:16 PM
Sorry B, I'd be against that rule as well. Things happen, people can't make it at the last minute, etc. The way the scoring is designed now works quite well. If you think about the margins presented in this years PFS, we needed to catch 3 more fish at only 6" each. That's a tight race. I think that a better consideration to make would be to make a sliding fish reduction at three person intervals if you want to consider evening the playing field rather than a 3 person minimum or whatever. Basically it would mean subtracting a percentage for each team size. -1 per fish on 1 and 2 person teams, -.95 on 3 & 4, -.90 on 5 & 6, or something like that. I know it makes beer fueled mathematics difficult, but I think that might acheive a better result. The above numbers are only an example, not proposed, but you get the picture. It would certainly make it a bit more fair to the larger teams who need to catch a ton of fish just to stay in it. The flip side to that argument is that I personally hooked and lost enough fish to drop us into second by that 18" margin. Skill ought to be as much part of the PFS as anything else. Red Hat |
| Fatmatt |
posted 12/12/06 9:57 PM
I agree with Neil. I think the only real disadvantage is when it comes to the larger fish, ie Steelhead. History has shown that with the bigger fish the margin is greater, hence the Fat Tribe victory in PA(that plus lack of participants), however when it comes to trout your talking 12-18" as opposed 22-30". One man teams have been beaten in IA, but I dont think that a one man could be beaten in PA. This would be something to think about when the PFS returns to PA. |
| mp |
posted 12/13/06 5:13 PM
I have to disagree with ya Fatmatt...all you had to do was have a bad day in PA and someone else would've won. What can be said is that with a team, you're more likely to have a "consistent" score, vs. a score that has the potential to WILDY swing in either direction when you're solo. We've had 2 solo wins and 2 team wins in 4 years (3 members and 5 members respectively)...thus I think it can really go either way. I had to eek out every last fish I could muster this year...it was looking REALLY close. IF Randy had been fishing, who's to say whether he would've had 6 or 16 (afterall, he didn't fish the Tucker when out with Rob this year...)? I think the scoring system, as currently designed, levels the playing field pretty well. The only reason to have a "sliding deduction scale" is to "help" a team who may be brought down by some "weaker" members (granted, even when we ditched the 3 non-catching teammates on the Fat Tribe, ya STILL LOST, so BOOOO SLIDING SCALES)! It looks like the overwhelming majority is for the earlier date in November for 2007. I think we can safely say that PFS 2007 will be held in Iowa on November 9,10 and 11. MP http://www.ramblingreports.com MP's Rambling Reports |
| Tim "The Enchanter" |
posted 12/16/06 1:40 AM
Red Hat is a stand up gentleman. Did you see how he took some blame for the fish he didn't land...I was sure I would scroll down to see that I had popped the fly by horsing 11" trout..or that B was fishing without a hook point!! (or was in the car in the middle of the afternoon) - Ooops there I go again, dissing my fishin' pardner...maybe I'll need that solo team thing myself...hahaha HDS - do you really need different flies 3 weeks earlier in IA? or are you BS'n us? I know that the Lazy Daisy is a great year round trout fly!! and the Tucker might be too, not sure, just a rumor. |
| Red Hat |
posted 12/16/06 6:03 PM
Enchanter- I leave all the intra-team smack to you since you do such a good job of it. Besides, If you strike out on your own, I'd never get to hear all that colorful streamside vocabulary of yours: Holy F%@K, did you see that? That's F%@KING beautiful, it's like a little F%@KING steelhead... etc. Besides, it was fun watching you land 'em (sorta) on light line like you wanted them up in the trees instead of your frozen net, good humor. Merry Christmas folks, I'm off to try a little hard water fishing. Hat out |
| Ole Hook Ass |
posted 12/19/06 4:14 AM
well, i guess my thought in it was, it evens the playing field for all. you are right, matt, the scoring system helps those that have a sub-par performance on a team (ah-hem, moi), and hinders those on a team that have a fantastic performance. basicallly, if we want to have a head to head, we could all be our own individual team and go solo, for a true representation of the actual performances. i agree with fattmatt, the scoring discrepancy is more pronounced with the larger fish. just my two cents on the matter. |
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