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| Author | Topic: TimeSpace Travel |
| RamPage |
posted 3/18/02 4:51 PM
Does anyone out there believe TimeSpace travel is possible? http://gonow.to/rampage save the world |
| Duncan C |
posted 5/6/02 11:51 AM
Time-space travel is possible perhaps and is happening as we breath. breaks in the continuum which is the subject of stories and movies seems plausible via certain kinds of magnetic induction. But perspective derived from ones personal and the mass conciousness seems to be the weak link in the equasion..... |
| RichC123 |
posted 8/19/02 10:01 PM
Time is relevant to a reference point and the speed of an object that is moving away from or to that reference point. A long way of saying that each object in space exists in its own time. |
| Corey Wilson |
posted 10/20/02 8:31 PM
Time space travel might be possible of an understanding of an old physics rule defined by albert einstien who said that time stops at the speed of light (Which I disagree with, for it can be measured, for how can you measure a speed that at which time stops?) It takes eight minutes for the light from the sun to reach planet earth.... "8 minutes is not time stopping". anyways, there must be a speed at which the animation of time stops at..... which seemingly is WAY FASTER than light.... If i speed up to the speed of "TIME", I would be at a point of a sort of "PORTAL OF TIME"..... If i surpasss that speed...... perhaps the effects of time would be me going backwards in time in such a way where I would begin to actually travel back through the portal an possibly being stuch in TIME REVERSE.... Putting aside the possibilities of what would happen, Here is something that you might enjoy reading..... To avoid such things as "TIME REVERSE" effects on a human body, we might need to separate the time travel machine's pilot(s) time/space environment from outside of the machine..... A metal that would be heavily frozen to sustain an incredible amount of amperage would surround the craft, with electricity or electrons being forced to go so fast, they would pass through the "TIME PORTAL" at the "SPEED OF TIME ITSELF"..... sending the craft back in time while the person(s) inside not being effected by the time travel episode........ if this would work at all, probably surrounding the craft with one shell that goes back in time with another shell covering the first shell also being charged to pass through the TIME PORTAL thus seemingly allowing the craft to move into the future.... Enough about time travel, let me move over the the anti-gravity forum :) Corey |
| ???????????? |
posted 1/7/03 0:33 AM
If the time continuum is distortioned by time travel... whouldn't afect the unvirsal bond between time and space? |
| ???????????? |
posted 1/7/03 0:33 AM
If the time continuum is distortioned by time travel... whouldn't it afect the unvirsal bond between time and space? |
| ???????????? |
posted 1/7/03 0:35 AM
If the time continuum is distortioned by time travel... whouldn't it afect the unvirsal bond between time and space? |
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ram (Moderator) |
posted 1/8/03 4:36 AM
Yes, ???, the timespace fireld IS distorted. In fact, you end up in a (hopefully) parallel timestream, as the multiverse is an INFINITE series of parallel holograms - relatively easy to visualise (see Infinity & Beyond at http://gonow.to/timespace ) - Ram http://gonow.to/rampage |
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| GANGSTA |
posted 12/12/03 11:51 PM
YO WHAT HAPPENS IF U BREAK THE SPACE TIME CONITNUUM ?? |
| GANGSTA |
posted 12/12/03 11:51 PM
YO WHAT HAPPENS IF U BREAK THE SPACE TIME CONITNUUM ?? |
| cynika |
posted 12/15/03 9:00 PM
I wonder if the stumbling block we all falter over isn't the fact that we try to see time/space as linear. That is natural since we (or most of us) live in only 3 dimensions and, for us, pretty much everything within our current realm of understanding is linear. What if, as novelists Arthur C. Clarke and Orson Scott Card have indicated, time is instead layered and multidimensional - everything happening at the same time? If that is the case, then pursuing time travel from a linear approach might very well lead us to believe it is impossible (since it IS from that direction). I don't have a strong background in quantum physics, but the little bit of research I have done leads me to believe that, if time/space travel is to be achieved, it will be done through an understanding of vibratory rates on a sub-quantum level. The manipulation of particles we probably haven't even discovered yet and wouldn't know what to do with if we did. The flip side of this is that, if the distant future already exists on another layer, then it's possible that the inhabitants of that place in time HAVE discovered a way to bridge the gap in dimensions/layers without actually mucking up the time/space continuum (whatever THAT really is). And all of the above could be total crap...just thinking out loud. |
| Visitor! YAY! |
posted 3/11/04 1:17 AM
well if your christian you know that when you die you go to heaven rite? but when you go to heaven, you stay for eternity. so when you go to heaven you will be out of the time space continuum. and when you go to heaven for eternity... and your out of time space continuum... err.. hmm thats confusing.. so anyways if youre out of the time space continuum when you die, maybe seeing your life flash before your eyes in a second isnt to far off eh? a lot of this is from the christian perspective (did that make sense?) |
| Chester |
posted 12/22/04 11:24 PM
The problem with forcing your way through a time barrior isn't just a local or isolated event. To be truely "back in time" implies stopping the flow of the entire universe or atleast the local universe and taking or moving the entire set with you. If you were to go back in time even a day and not take the earth/sun system with you, when you arrived at the previous time you would find yourself alone and floating in the space where the earth and all that you remember at that time had been. Time "travel" is in effect the act of reversing the flow of the entire universe. Time "tunneling" would, on the other hand, allow one to jump from time to time without dragging the universe along with you. |
| Ram |
posted 12/23/04 10:29 AM
Total agreement, Chester - any real time/space travel would have to relate to a minimum of those four dimensions - using more dimensions again. 'Modern' physics doesn't have an explanation of these other dimensions in the 11-dimensional membrane - but consider that any 'hyperspace' connecting with this dimension would have the property if interacting with all points simultaneously - as the 4D universe familiar to most of the senses is a cross-section of any 'higher order' space. Gravity and time both fulfil this criterion - they interact with matter/energy, apparently exerting a 'force' that inexorably enters every body and particle simultaneously from 'without'. For that matter, height, depth and breadth do as well - along with magnetism, electricity, and another four relatively familiar 'forces' as well. Timespace travel requires a high degree of fine-tuning of these fields. http://gonow.to/timespace |
| Walsh |
posted 12/24/04 0:17 AM
Quite new to this all and I'd be lying if I claimed I understood everything said on this forum, however a dissatisfaction with my understanding of time drove me to plunge myself into the midst of debates on it's theories.. Going for the whole 'if you want to learn spanish, move to spain' thing. In any case, my question was in part answered by Chester but I'm still partly lost. The difference between 'time travel' and a 'time tunnel' were mentioned.. One seems as it would be all inclusive and an excersize in futility to even consider it or its benefits on society. Were there to be a way to rewind all space-time, even for a second, it would seem to me that this would throw the universe into something of a time loop. I say this because all human growth, knowledge, and memory would be subject to the same reversal, thus history would repeat itself in the most literal sense. However, I believe the premise that one could halt the entirety of timespace is both foolish and unrealistic. The idea of a 'time tunnel' seems much more plausible. Thinking of timespace as a map, this would mean somehow moving a controlled amount physical mass, and moving it to a different point on the mass, a much more realistic endeveour than grabbing the universe by the balls.. Please note any problems with these obvservations.. |
| Walsh |
posted 12/24/04 0:17 AM
Quite new to this all and I'd be lying if I claimed I understood everything said on this forum, however a dissatisfaction with my understanding of time drove me to plunge myself into the midst of debates on it's theories.. Going for the whole 'if you want to learn spanish, move to spain' thing. In any case, my question was in part answered by Chester but I'm still partly lost. The difference between 'time travel' and a 'time tunnel' were mentioned.. One seems as it would be all inclusive and an excersize in futility to even consider it or its benefits on society. Were there to be a way to rewind all space-time, even for a second, it would seem to me that this would throw the universe into something of a time loop. I say this because all human growth, knowledge, and memory would be subject to the same reversal, thus history would repeat itself in the most literal sense. However, I believe the premise that one could halt the entirety of timespace is both foolish and unrealistic. The idea of a 'time tunnel' seems much more plausible. Thinking of timespace as a map, this would mean somehow moving a controlled amount physical mass, and moving it to a different point on the mass, a much more realistic endeveour than grabbing the universe by the balls.. Please note any problems with these obvservations.. |
| Ram |
posted 12/24/04 1:12 PM
Indeed Walsh - but the real key to understanding how one doesn't interfere with the time-flow is that there are an infinite number of timestreams - realities like and unlike ours. Hopefully, you reach one similar to that which you intend. See http://gonow.to/flying-saucer and http://gonow.to/timespace for more detail than you might wish here... http://gonow.to/timespace |
| Chester |
posted 12/29/04 3:29 PM
All of this depends on your definition of time and understanding of space-time. What we call "time" is actually several different things and events. The simplist "time" is photon or electromagnetic time and it is the "third photon dimension". Not all particles share equally in all dimensions or interract equally well in all dimensions. There is a "suppression effect" akin to the Pauli exclusion principle between the various fields (particles) that dictates particle behavior at certain energy levels as well. Let's take the photon as the first example. If you take a rope and tie one end to a fixed object then stretch the rope taught, to induce a sine wave to travel the length of the rope you do not push or pull the rope. Instead you inject an energy pulse at right angles to length of the rope. The whip like motion instantly causes a sine wave to propogate down the length of the rope in real time. The same way that one plucks a guitar string at right angles to the length of the string to induce a musical not down the length of the string. In space, moving electric instantly induces and couples to magnetic moment each at right angles to the other. If that was all that happened it could transpire in just two dimensions. A third force called the lorenze force instantly couples to the linked electric and magnetic forces and at right angles to the previous forces...now there are three dimensions involved. The now oscillaing sine wave of coupled forces move at the speed of light along the direction of the coupled lorenze force an that is pretty much the classical discription of a photon. In walks quantum mechanics and says that any two photons created by the same event travel away from each other ath the speed of light in opposite directions and any force acting on either of the photons will instantly, regardless of distance, effect the other photon. Also, we can not determine the position or energy of either photon, regardless of distance, without absorbing (destroying) both photons. This was the part of quantum mechanics that Einstein didn't like. What has all of this got to do with time travel? Let's take all the parts and pieces and try to put them together. Classic physics says that the photon travels ath the speed of light. Relitivity says that for NONPHOTON matter to travel at or near the speed of light then time stops or nearly does depending on the velocity. Quatum mechanics says that two linked photons can effect each other at ANY DISTANCE instantly. Average this out in the simpliest way and say that photons do not experience time. Any effect of time that we implicate for a photon is due to our percetion of the event and is unrelated to the actual universe of the photon. The "creation" of a photon (our term in our perception) is an interference in a three force, sine coupled wave or field line that defines the three dimensions of space. The matter universe (us) has three options in relating to these photon field lines. 1)absorbing or breaking the field line that subsequently and instantly collapses. 2) Modifying the field line. (Changing the polarity or frequency). 3)Changing the relationship between the coupled angles of the three coupled forces...gravity does that and that's where time travel can come from. |
| Chester |
posted 12/29/04 3:29 PM
All of this depends on your definition of time and understanding of space-time. What we call "time" is actually several different things and events. The simplist "time" is photon or electromagnetic time and it is the "third photon dimension". Not all particles share equally in all dimensions or interract equally well in all dimensions. There is a "suppression effect" akin to the Pauli exclusion principle between the various fields (particles) that dictates particle behavior at certain energy levels as well. Let's take the photon as the first example. If you take a rope and tie one end to a fixed object then stretch the rope taught, to induce a sine wave to travel the length of the rope you do not push or pull the rope. Instead you inject an energy pulse at right angles to length of the rope. The whip like motion instantly causes a sine wave to propogate down the length of the rope in real time. The same way that one plucks a guitar string at right angles to the length of the string to induce a musical not down the length of the string. In space, moving electric instantly induces and couples to magnetic moment each at right angles to the other. If that was all that happened it could transpire in just two dimensions. A third force called the lorenze force instantly couples to the linked electric and magnetic forces and at right angles to the previous forces...now there are three dimensions involved. The now oscillaing sine wave of coupled forces move at the speed of light along the direction of the coupled lorenze force an that is pretty much the classical discription of a photon. In walks quantum mechanics and says that any two photons created by the same event travel away from each other ath the speed of light in opposite directions and any force acting on either of the photons will instantly, regardless of distance, effect the other photon. Also, we can not determine the position or energy of either photon, regardless of distance, without absorbing (destroying) both photons. This was the part of quantum mechanics that Einstein didn't like. What has all of this got to do with time travel? Let's take all the parts and pieces and try to put them together. Classic physics says that the photon travels ath the speed of light. Relitivity says that for NONPHOTON matter to travel at or near the speed of light then time stops or nearly does depending on the velocity. Quatum mechanics says that two linked photons can effect each other at ANY DISTANCE instantly. Average this out in the simpliest way and say that photons do not experience time. Any effect of time that we implicate for a photon is due to our percetion of the event and is unrelated to the actual universe of the photon. The "creation" of a photon (our term in our perception) is an interference in a three force, sine coupled wave or field line that defines the three dimensions of space. The matter universe (us) has three options in relating to these photon field lines. 1)absorbing or breaking the field line that subsequently and instantly collapses. 2) Modifying the field line. (Changing the polarity or frequency). 3)Changing the relationship between the coupled angles of the three coupled forces...gravity does that and that's where time travel can come from. |
| No paradox for time travellers |
posted 6/20/05 8:48 AM
No paradox for time travellers 10:00 18 June 2005 NewScientist.com news service Mark Buchanan Related Articles Wormhole travel - a risky proposition 04 June 2005 Wormhole wanderers face a deadly dilemma 24 May 2005 The strange gravitational effect of eclipses 27 November 2004 Search New Scientist Contact us Web Links Department of Physics, City College of New York Karl Svozil, Vienna University of Technology Greenberger, Svozil paper THE laws of physics seem to permit time travel, and with it, paradoxical situations such as the possibility that people could go back in time to prevent their own birth. But it turns out that such paradoxes may be ruled out by the weirdness inherent in laws of quantum physics. Some solutions to the equations of Einstein's general theory of relativity lead to situations in which space-time curves back on itself, theoretically allowing travellers to loop back in time and meet younger versions of themselves. Because such time travel sets up paradoxes, many researchers suspect that some physical constraints must make time travel impossible. Now, physicists Daniel Greenberger of the City University of New York and Karl Svozil of the Vienna University of Technology in Austria have shown that the most basic features of quantum theory may ensure that time travellers could never alter the past, even if they are able to go back in time. The constraint arises from a quantum object's ability to behave like a wave. Quantum objects split their existence into multiple component waves, each following a distinct path through space-time. Ultimately, an object is usually most likely to end up in places where its component waves recombine, or "interfere", constructively, with the peaks and troughs of the waves lined up, say. The object is unlikely to be in places where the components interfere destructively, and cancel each other out. Quantum theory allows time travel because nothing prevents the waves from going back in time. When Greenberger and Svozil analysed what happens when these component waves flow into the past, they found that the paradoxes implied by Einstein's equations never arise. Waves that travel back in time interfere destructively, thus preventing anything from happening differently from that which has already taken place (www.arxiv.org/quant-ph/0506027). "If you travel into the past quantum mechanically, you would only see those alternatives consistent with the world you left behind you," says Greenberger. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7535 |
| Alfie G |
posted 8/27/05 8:42 PM
It looks like a small team has built an experimental "time car". Reminds me of Back to the Future. http://www.timetravelforum.net/showthread.php?t=6283 |
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