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Wahnsinn posted 4/18/03 9:43 PM     Click here to send email to Wahnsinn  
Xin chao tat ca cac ban TN,
Toi that la vui khi duoc nghe nhung loi chia se cua cac ban qua trang Forum nay. Mong cac ban se noi nhung su suy nghi cua cac ban de chung ta cung hieu ro loi Chua hon.
Wahnsinn posted 4/18/03 10:47 PM     Click here to send email to Wahnsinn  
Toi co thac mac trong sach Dan-So-Ky doan 12. Ong Moi-se lay them mot nguoi vo E-thi-o-bi la dan ngoai. Sao do A-ron va Mi-ri-am noi hanh Moi-se. Nhu vay thanh no cua Duc Gie-ho-va noi gian cung hai nguoi va kia Mi-ri-am da bi benh phung.
1) tai sao Mi-ri-am bi phat nhung A-ron lai khong bi?
2) A-ron va Mi-ri-am da noi hanh Moi-se va bi Duc Gie-ho-va noi gian nhung Moi-se pham toi lay vo dan ngoai ma Duc Gie-ho-va khong noi gian va cung khong phat?
Huy Hoang posted 4/19/03 8:01 PM     Click here to send email to Huy Hoang  
Hoang cung co thac mac: khi nguoi Nam va nguoi Nu cap nhau, tai sao nguoi Nam thuong lon tuoi hon nguoi Nu va neu nguoi Nu cung tuoi voi nguoi Nam thi lai khon hon nguoi Nam rat nhieu??? Neu ai biet xin cho y kien nha. Thanx! Oh Wahnsinn, cau hoi cua anh qua Than Hoc di em chiu dau hang, danh phai de cho su phu *Thao* tra loi thoi.
Nam posted 4/19/03 9:22 PM     Click here to send email to Nam  
Wahnsinn oi!! Cau hoi cua anh Wahnsinn qua :-) em cung khong biet cau tra loi.
Hallo Huy Hoang. Theo Nam nghi trong 1 doi Nam Nu nguoi Nam thuong lon tuoi hon vi nguoi Nu cung muon nhu vay. Nguoi Nu muon co nguoi nao co kinh nghiem va truong thanh hon la minh.
_*Thao*_ posted 4/21/03 11:25 PM    
Chao Wahnsinn! Co le Chua phat Miriam la 1 hinh thuc canh cao Aron. Nhung noi chung la kg ai co the biet duoc, vi dieu do thuoc ve quyen cua DCT, va duong loi Ngai luon luon cao hon duong lô'i minh ma. Cung nhu cau chuyen nguoi lam cong trong vuon nho trong Mathio 20:1-16 vay. Nguoi chu keu 1 nguoi vo lam trong vuon nho luc sang som va noi la se tra cho 1 do*niê, nguoi kia da dong y vo lam. Den gio thu 3, thu 6 va thu 9 chu cung lam nhu vay. Va cuoi cung chu deu tra cho moi nguoi 1 do*niê. Nhung nguoi lam tu sang som lai "lam bam" cung chu nha va noi ong ay kg cong binh! Nhung dieu do hoan toan kg dung: ban dau nguoi chu hoi ho co muon lam voi gia 1 do*niê kg, ho da dong y, thi bay gio tai sao lai doi nhieu hon? Ong chu da giu loi hua, sao lai noi la kg cong binh? Co le ong thuong xot nhung nguoi den sau va muon cho ho cung 1 so tien. Vi do la tien cua ong, nen ong co quyen quyet dinh cho nguoi nao va cho bao nhieu! Ong cung co the bo thi cho ke ngeo ma kg sai ho lam gi ca, nhu vay cung la kg cong binh sao?!
Cung 1 le ay, quyen luc thuoc ve Chua. Chua co the phat nguoi nay ma kg phat nguoi kia, cho nguoi nay ma kg cho nguoi kia. Neu da thuoc ve linh vuc toi cao cua Chua roi thi minh kg the giai thich duoc nhung quyet dinh cua Ngai dau!
Thao co 1 loi khuyen nho muon gui den ban: neu dieu thac mac do rat la quan trong doi voi ban, thi ban cu cau nguyen voi Chua. Thao tin la Ngai se giai thich cho ban bang 1 cach nao do. Thao thay nhung loi thac mac de tiem hieu ve Chua rat la tot, nhung neu do la 1 loi thac mac "vô bô?" thi nen coi chung, vi dieu do co the anh huong den duc tin cua ban. Dung quen Chua muon duc tin cua chung trong trang nhu tre em vay, va Ngai chi muon duc tin chung ta tang truong cang ngay cang hon thoi!
Hi Hoang! Ne, da goi Thao 1 tieng "su phu" roi thu sao nay thâ`y sai de tu lam viec kg duoc tu choi do nhe!;p That ra Thao thay trong linh vuc tinh yeu thi viet tuoi tac kg quan trong! Neu nguoi nu lon tuoi hon nguoi nam nhieu, ma 2 nguoi yeu nhau that long va kg lam chuyen gi pham toi voi Chua thi dau co gi la sai dau! 10 dieu ran dau cam nguoi vo lon tuoi hon nguoi chong dau! That ra Thao thay chuyen do chi do quan diem ca nhan cua moi nguoi thoi. Co le doi voi nguoi A-Chau chung ta thi dieu do kg duoc tot cho lam. Nhung moi quan diem deu khac nhau ma! Thao thay chung ta kg the bac nguoi khac song theo quan diem cua minh 1 cach ich ky duoc!!
Lekhanhduong posted 4/22/03 6:17 PM    
Hoang oi, that la don gian. Boi nguoi Nam duoc tao nen truoc, sau do moi co nguoi nu. Ngay tu ban dau ong Adam da lon tuoi hon ba Eva roi.............va chung ta la con cua chau cua ong ta thi cung phai giong ong ta chu, phai ko?
Huy Hoang posted 4/23/03 2:30 PM     Click here to send email to Huy Hoang  
Ah, thi ra la vay. Hoang thay anh Duong vi du trong K.T. cung rat hay. Neu theo loi anh Duong, vay thi chung ta cung co the noi la nguoi Nu thuong "khon" hon nguoi nam la vi da duoc an trai cua su hieu biet truoc nguoi Nam khong? Con cac ban khac nghi sao, cac ban co dong y voi y kien cua anh Duong khong vay?
Wahnsinn posted 4/24/03 10:27 PM     Click here to send email to Wahnsinn  
Hallo *Thao* !
Anh da xem su gop y cua Em . thay Em noi cung dung .duong nhien la moi su la ro Chua lam va co quyen tren moi su . nhung chung ta nen hoc hoi loi chua mot cach ky cang neu khong se lam sai loi Chua thi chung ta se bi hu mat va phai vao lua dia nguc doi doi .cau xin Chua ban cho Em su thong sang de hieu loi Chu mot cach tot nhat.
_*Thao*_ posted 4/24/03 10:46 PM    
Hi Wahnsinn! Thao dong y la chung ta phai hoc hoi loi Chua 1 cach ky cang, nhung cung phai biet dac nhung cau hoi huu ich, dung luc va dung noi. Thao chi cam thay viec tai sao Chua phat Miriam chu kg phai Aron va Moise kg anh huong gi den viec minh co lam theo loi Chua hay kg, va se vao dia nguc hay kg?!
Nhung ban dung hieu lam, Thao thay long sot sang hoc loi Chua la dieu rat tot! Thao se cau nguyen Chua ban su khon ngoan de anh hieu biet loi Ngai hon!
Chung ta cung co the cùng hoc hoi loi Chua 1 cach vui ve qua nhung cau do vui: moi tuan do nhau vai cau KT de trao doi kien thuc va hieu biet nhieu hon ve loi Chua. Kg biet cac ban nghi sao? Neu dieu do co the giup duoc ban, thi Thao san sang!;)
Guest posted 4/29/03 1:36 PM    
Was heißt hier nur weil sie sich ältere Typen mit viel Erfahrung schnappen??
Von Natur aus sind weibliche Geschöpfe immer ca. 2 Jahre !
Sind sie mit einem etwas älteren Mann verheiratet/liiert, passt es ja wohl zusammen, oder nicht?

thuy tien posted 4/30/03 11:53 AM     Click here to send email to thuy tien  
Chao cac ban va chau anh Hung, em co nghe 1 ms giang la Miriam noi sau va khuyen khich Aron lam dieu sau. La phan cung Mose vi Mose lay vo ngoai ban. Em cung khong biet tai sau Mose lam nhu vay ma khong bi phat. Cau tra loi nay Tien cung thac mat.
Chao Huy Hoang, Hoang khoe chu? Tien se goi bai hat cho Huy Hoang trong tuan nay. Vi ban hoc nhieu nen ua quen goi cho Huy Hoang, xin loi ban ne? Neu co dip thi trong trai HD bi Tien se bao an kem, duoc khong ne ;-)? Cau hoi tai sau nguoi nam ban tuoi nguoi nu kem su hieu biet thi Tien cung biet do, hihi. Nhung noi cho Huy Hoang 1 minh thoi, hihi, bye...
Huy Hoang posted 5/6/03 3:40 PM     Click here to send email to Huy Hoang  
Hi Tien,
Hoang van khoe manh, cuoc song luon vui ve vi "Chúa luôn ở bên minh". Giao nay TN Wupperthal nghe noi dong lam, phai khong? DHTN nay co nhieu nguoi di khong? HT München thi chac chi co Hoang di duoc thoi. :-(
Nhung ma co chi Tien bao kem thi minh cung duoc an uoi nhieu lam.^2^ Noi don mot chut thoi, neu Tien va gia dinh di duoc thi Hoang da rat vui roi. Hoang co mot dieu muon hoi cac ban:
"Va, cach it lau, Ca-in dung tho-san lam cua-le dang cho Duc Gie-ho-va. A-ben cung dang chien dau long trong bay minh cung mo no. Duc Gie-ho-va doai xem A-ben va nhan le-vat cua nguoi; nhung chang doai den Ca-in va cung chang nhan le-vat cua nguoi; cho nen Ca-in gian lam ma gam net mat".(Sang-The-Ky 4:3-5)
? Tai sao Duc Chua Troi nhan le-vat cua Abel nhung khong doai den Ca-in? Vay Ca-in da lam dieu gi sai? Tao sao co nhieu nguoi nhan danh Chua chua benh, duoi quy... nhung cuoi cung Chua cung khong he nhan biet ho? Lam sao cho chung ta nhan biet duoc chung ta co o trong Chua that su hay chi la mot nguoi tin do nha tho thoi?
SM posted 5/12/03 11:26 AM    
Khi chung ta vua doc qua Dan-so-ky 12, chung ta co the thay la. la` tai sao Moi-se khong bi phat cho hanh dong cuoi vo ngoai cua ong, trong khi Mariam noi len dieu do thi lai bi CHua phat. Tuy nhien neu chung ta doc ky doan KT nay chung ta se thay duoc mot so dieu sau:
1) Viec ong Moi-se lay vo ngoai da xay ra o nhieu na(m truoc do (xem Xuat 2:21), vi vay chung ta khong the xac dinh duoc la Chua co phat ong Moi-se vi hanh dong nay hay khong.
2) Viec Chua phat Mariam ma khong phat A-ron thi nhu Thuy Tien co noi la` vi Mariam da bat dau truoc, A-ron chi phu theo thoi. Chung ta co the biet duoc dieu nay, vi trong doan KT nay ten cua Mariam duoc dat truoc, trong khi nhung noi khac trong KT, khi nhac den ba nguoi nay thi ten cua Mariam duoc dat o chot (xem Dan 26:59; 1 Su-ky 6:3; Mi-che 6:4). Trong KT, nhieu luc ten mot nguoi nao do duoc dat truoc ten nhung nguoi khac trong mot cau KT noi len tam quan trong cua nguoi do.
3) Chua phat ba Mariam vi nhung ly do sau day:
- Hanh dong cua Mariam: Mariam da noi nghich hay noi hanh ong Moi-se thay vi noi loi khuyen rang, gay dung;
- Thai do cua Mariam: Mariam noi len nhung loi nay voi mot thai do kieu ngao. Chung ta co the biet duoc dieu nay qua ba dieu sau day: a) loi noi cua Mariam trong cau 2 cho thay ba coi minh cung la tien tri ngang bang voi Moi-se, nhung trong cau 8 Chua cho biet Moi-se la mot tien tri dac biet truoc mat Ngai; b) cau 3 cho biet Moi-se la mot nguoi "rat khiem hoa" de cho chung ta thay su tuong pha?n (contrast) giua Moi-se voi Mariam o cau 2 – Moi-se thi khiem hoa co`n Mariam thi kieu ngao; c) viec lay vo ngoai cua Moi-se da xay ra tu lau nhung bay gio Mariam noi dua ra de noi, cung noi len mot dieu la Mariam co y khong tot khi noi nghich cung Moi-se.
Bai hoc phan doan KT nay muon nhac nho moi chung ta can phai co thai do va hanh dong nhu the nao doi voi nhung nguoi anh chi em trong HT, nhat la doi voi nhung toi to CHua.
Mong rang nhung loi gop y nay se giup duoc cac ban phan nao.
Huy Hoang posted 5/12/03 1:42 PM     Click here to send email to Huy Hoang  
Kinh thua anh SM( Son Minh? ),
sao khi doc song nhung loi gop y cua anh em con mot dieu thac mat chua giai dap duoc:
nguoi vo cua ong Moi-se duoc nhac trong Xuat 2:21 la Se-pho-ra thuoc ve dan Ma-di-an->Ismael->Abraham->Sem(Xuat-e-dip-to-ky 3:1, Sang-the-ky 37:28). Dan-so-ky 12 noi cho chung ta biet la ong Moi-se lay mot nguoi vo cua dan ngoai goi la E-thi-o-bi(Cushite) cua giong doi Cuc(Cush).(-> Sang the ky 10:6) Khong biet em co hieu dung khong nhung ma Sem va Cush la hai con trai cua ong No-e ma. Co the la nguoi vo nhac trong sach Dan-so-ky 12:1 khong phai la nguoi nhac trong Xuat 2:21 khong?
SM posted 5/13/03 8:40 AM    
Tinh than hoc hoi va nghien cuu loi Chua cua Huy Hoang that dang khich le. Toi khong dam noi co the tra loi hoan toan cau hoi cua Hoang, nhung toi gop them y kien nhu vay:
1) Trong KT khong co noi nao no'i den Moi-se co vo nao khac ngoai tru Se^-pho^-ra, nguoi Medianite, la nguoi ong da cuoi trong luc ong bo chay khoi E-dip-to. Va Xuat 18 cho biet ba` Se^-pho^-ra va hai con da doan tu lai voi ong Moi-se sau khi Moi-se va dan I-so-ra-en roi khoi xu E-dip-to de di trong dong vang khoang 3 thang. Nhu vay chung ta co the tin rang Moi-se chi co mot vo ma thoi.
Rieng van de tai sao nguoi dan ba trong Dan-so-ky duoc goi la nguoi Cushite co`n ba Se^-pho^-ra la nguoi Medianite, thi nhung nha giai nghia KT cho biet rang dan Medianite la mot phan (subgroup) cua dan Cushite vi vay nguoi Medianite cung co the goi la nguoi Cushite. Chung ta co the thay su gan gui cua hai dia danh Median va Cushan trong Ha-ba-cuc 3:7.
2) Neu chung ta van nghi la nguoi dan ba duoc noi den trong Dan-so-ky khong phai la ba` Se^-pho^-ra, thi chung ta cung co the chac chan rang ong Moi-se da cuoi nguoi dan ba dan ngoai thu hai nay luc Moi-se tu E-dip-to chay tron qua Ma-di-an hoac luc tren duong tro ve lai E-dip-to, tuc la truoc khi ong Moi-se va dan I-so-ra-en chay khoi E-dip-to. Vi su kien ghi lai trong Dan-so-ky 12 xay ra it nhat la hon hai nam tinh tu khi dan I-so-ra-en da roi khoi E-dip-to (xem Dan 10:11), ma trong luc di trong dong vang nhu vay ong Moi-se khong the nao gap mot nguoi dan ba Cushite va lay ba do. Nhu vay “neu” ong Moi-se co cuoi mot nguoi dan ba dan ngoai thu hai, thi su viec do cung da xay ra nhieu nam truoc.
Huy Hoang posted 5/13/03 12:48 AM     Click here to send email to Huy Hoang  
em rat vui khi duoc nghe nhung loi chia xe cua mot con cai Chua hieu biet rong ve K.T. nhu anh SM. Truoc do em tuong dau dan Ma-di-an la tu Ismael ra nhung sao khi doc ky K.T. mot lan nua em tim ra duoc Ma-di-an la con cua ong Ab-ra-ham( Sang-the-ky 25:2) cho nen chung ta co the khang dinh rang ong Moi-se da lay them mot nguoi vo dan Cushite, ma nguoi nay khong nam trong dong doi cua ong Ap-ra-ham.
2) Em cung khong duoc ro lam ve thoi diem ong Moi-se cuoi vo nay vi K.T. cho chung ta biet la "co vo-so nguoi ngoai-bang di len chung, luon voi chien, bo, suc-vat rat nhieu"(Xuat 12:38). Trong do cung co the co mot "co nuong" cua dan Cushite ma, roi ong Moi-se da co vo roi va lay them mot nguoi vo thu hai va cong them la khong phai trong dong doi cua to phu Ap-ra-ham, nen A-ron va Mi-ri-am moi trach ong Moi-se. Neu Hoang co dieu gi nghi sai xin anh SM va cac ban chi giai them.
lekhanhduong posted 5/13/03 1:25 PM     Click here to send email to lekhanhduong  
Huy Hoang men!
D co doc qua ve nhung thac mac trong nay, va D cho la trong Dan 12 Ba Miriam va Aron da noi hanh Moi se ve viec ong lay nguoi ngoai.
Trong KT den thoi bay gio (MOi Se) thi Chua ko co cam dan su phai lay ai va co nen lay nguoi ngoai hay ko. chi co mot cho trong Le vi ky 21,7-8 la noi thay te le ko nen cuoi nguoi bi de, va nen cuoi nguoi trong vong dan su. Nhung khi moi se cuoi vo thi chua co luat phap!!!
Ba Miriam bi phat la vi ho gianh quyen voi moi se chu ko phai vi toi noi hanh ong Moise co vo nguoi ngoai.
Cau chuyen nay co the giong voi su noi loan cua Co re, Da than va Abiram trong dan so ky doan 16 va 17. Toi cua ho cung la vi kieu ngao. Chu cho va chon moi nguoi de hau viec Ngai theo y muon Ngai chu ko theo y muon cua chung ta. Boi nhung nguoi nay da di qua gioi han cua ho nen Chua da phat ho nhu vay.
SM posted 5/14/03 9:44 AM    
Huy Hoang noi dung o cho la Midian la con cua ong Abraham ( Sang-the-ky 25:2), nhung roi sau do ket luan la nguoi dan ba duoc noi den trong Dan-so-ky phai la nguoi dan ngoai Cushite va co y rang nguoi Midian khong phai la dan ngoai, thi dieu nay sai. Vi khi tuyen dan I-so-ra-en noi den dan ngoai, thi ho chi den moi nguoi khong thuoc dan I-so-ra-en, tuc la nhung nguoi khong co cung to tien voi nguoi I-so-ra-en la Abraham, Isaac va Jacob (Israel). Chua lap giao uoc voi Abraham qua dua con cua loi hua la Isaac, vi vay du rang Ishmael hay Midian hoac nhung nguoi khac la con cua Abraham, nhung doi voi nguoi Israel ho van bi xem la dan ngoai vi ho khong o trong giao uoc cua Chua. Dieu nay cung cho chung ta thay rang, nhung nguoi o trong giao uoc cua Chua voi Abraham khong phai la nhung nguoi co giong mau cua Abraham, nhung la nhung nguoi co lien he voi Abraham trong loi hua cua Chua.
2) Xuat 12:38 khong noi den nhung “nguoi ngoai-bang” nhu KT tieng Viet dich ra, ma la “a mixed multitude” tam dich la “mot nhom nguoi hon tap.” Day la nhung nguoi truoc day la dan ngoai nhung ho da lay vo hay chong nguoi I-so-ra-en, hay ho theo dao cua nguoi I-so-ra-en, hay la nhung nguoi toi to cho nguoi I-so-ra-en, va neu nhung nguoi nay la nam thi ho phai chiu “phep cat bi`,” va nhung quy dinh duoc ghi trong Xuat 12:43-49 cung duoc ap dung cho nhung nguoi nay. Vi vay nhung nguoi nay khong phai la nguoi dan ngoai ma nguoi I-so-ra-en khong duoc phep lap gia dinh voi ho nhu trong Xuat 34:11-16; Phuc 7:3-4 noi den, vi nhung nguoi dan ngoai se loi keo con cai cua I-so-ra-en den voi su tho than, hinh tuong cua dan ngoai.
Tuy nhien, dieu quan trong la chung ta hay quay lai voi Dan-so-ky 12. Mac du rang nhung gi da duoc trinh bay o phan truoc khong hoan toan ro rang het duoc vi KT khong phai la mot cuoc sach lich su ghi lai tat ca nhung chi tiec cua su viec, nhung cau chuyen cho chung ta thay ba Mariam chi? mu+o+.n ly do Moi-se lay vo dan ngoai de lam thoa long kieu ngao cua minh ma thoi. Tuy trong cau chuyen nay chung ta khong the hieu ro moi dieu, nhung chung ta co the de^? hieu phan doan KT nay hon neu so sanh voi nhung cho khac trong KT. Vi vay, chung ta cung hoc KT de hieu biet loi Chua hon, nhung chung ta khong the doi hoi phai hieu moi chi tiec duoc.
Huy Hoang posted 5/14/03 3:16 PM     Click here to send email to Huy Hoang  
Noi chuyen voi anh SM va Duong ve loi Chua thiet qua da va em duoc hoc hoi rat nhieu. ^_^
Qua cau chuyen nay em hoc hoi duoc la chung ta nen ton trong nhung nguoi ma Chua da chon trong cong viec cua Ngai. Thi du la khong bao gio mot ai nen nghi rang minh gioi hon ong Muc Su nay va tot hon ong Muc Su kia va doi co hoi de pha nguoi ta va nam quyen nhu ba Miriam va ong Aron da lam, nhung neu anh em minh bi dieu gi thieu xot thi minh hay nang do ho trong tinh yeu thuong cua Chua Jesus.
Khong biet ve cau hoi em dang o tren tai sao Duc Chua Troi nhan cua le cua Abel con cua Kain thi khong, anh SM va anh Duong co y kien gi khong?
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