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| Author | Topic: Open Letter to Conspiracy Community |
| Matheny |
posted 8/9/01 3:32 AM
Open letter to conspiracy community Nick and I decided today to publicly announce in the near future that the Ong's Hat Project has now concluded. We will be contacting Peter L. Wilson as well and see if he'd like to make a statement. I think it would still make a good book from a cultural anthropology perspective, your call. My program has finished running and I am being recalled from duty. I think we were successful in laying the groundwork for the coming change. The gateways are open now. I am glad to finally be myself again: 7:37 PM PST. PS: This is not a joke. The Real Joe Matheny AKA/ Michael Kelly |
| Harla Quinn |
posted 8/9/01 3:46 AM
I know that I speak for many when I say that we are all anxiously anticipating your important announcement. Thank you. Respectfully, Harla Quinn |
| Sparky - |
posted 8/9/01 11:44 PM
Hey, JM, HQ, Chaos Cowboys, and Taka-Ha-Terrans! (Or is it Terra-Ha-Takas? *lol*) Oh, well. . . Anyhoo, it sounds like history in the making. Grab your ice chests and lawn chairs and get ready to see some fireworks! Just last week after setting up my music composition system and amp / synth rack, I composed a new tune after finally being reunited with my gear after three years. I haven't named it until now. I'll call it Tantric Dreams. It is based on, say, 1001 Arabian nights; magic carpets, genies and magic lamps, 'charmed' snakes coming out of baskets, you know, that sort of 'thang.' It's in Cm and only has two chords: Cm and C#maj. After cutting the oboe lead part, it dawned on me that it is the same chord progression as what Jefferson Airplane used on White Rabbit. This tune, however, is very conducive to meditation. It's really 'trippy.' I'll have to find some way to post it. I can't post it as a MIDI file because I use Roland's MPU-401 protocol and it will come out as just noise on a regular multimedia system. I can transcribe it to General MIDI, but I'll loose the special patches and sound effects that gets programmed into my system via SYS-EX commands. I can always cut a .WAV file, but it will have to be a shortened version. Oh well, I'll 'figger' something out. Well, we definitely 'preciate the news and shall look forward to seeing the end phenomena to the I&OH saga. I guess that will be something to tell the grandkids! :)
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| Harla Quinn |
posted 8/10/01 0:21 AM
"A thing of beauty is a joy forever." http://geocities.com/mia_xpt/maestro.jmauteur.html Maestro |
| dr wu |
posted 8/10/01 1:24 AM
Well after all this time reading info on I/OH I still have never read where it actually originated from. Who actually started the Incunabula concept and who first wrote of Ong's Hat and how did they hear about it? Also what does Peter Lamborn Wilson aka Hakim Bey have to do with it? |
| Harla Quinn |
posted 8/10/01 2:21 AM
THAT has been the question we have all asked... http://geocities.com/mia_xpt/maestro.jmauteur.html Maestro |
| Matheny |
posted 8/10/01 8:11 PM
Also what does Peter Lamborn Wilson aka Hakim Bey have to do with it? He forwarded the catalog to Edge Detector in 88. http://www.incunabula.org/original/ |
| dr wu |
posted 8/11/01 2:11 AM
That certainly indicates to me he had something to do with the I/OH saga from the beginning then. Indeed he may have been instrumental in its origin and could have started the Game alone or with others. |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 8/11/01 2:25 AM
Isn't this where I came in....(sigh) Flicker on...flicker off.... Dr. Wu, I don't know. Only Mr. Matheny can tell us that. |
| dr wu |
posted 8/11/01 2:06 PM
Harla, since I came into this enigma later than most can you tell me what was Mr Matheny's role in all this? |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 8/11/01 6:48 PM
"I think we were successful in laying the groundwork for the coming change." Don't you mean the current change? (& yes, I know that can be read in more than one way.) |
| Anonymous |
posted 8/12/01 10:49 PM
Reply-To: "Emory Cranston" From: "Emory Cranston" To: Subject: Believe nothing Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:07:05 -0700 Organization: MetaMachine Internals X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2001 22:13:34.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[06F01A00:01C1237C] Believe nothing Herbert and Matheny say, they are lairs. -EC --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You have been searching for us without knowing it, following oblique references in crudely xeroxed marginal 'samisdat' publications, crackpot mystical pamphlets, mail order courses ... a paper trail and a coded series of rumors spread at street level ... and the propagation of certain acts of insurrection against the Planetary Work Machine and the Consensus Reality ... or perhaps through various obscure mimeographed technical papers on the edges of "chaos science"... through pirate computer networks ... or even through pure synchronicity and the pursuit of dreams. In any case we know something about you, your interests, deeds and desires, works and days ... and we know your address. Otherwise...you would not be reading this... |
| El Fayed |
posted 8/13/01 5:42 PM
And so, we begin again... |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 8/14/01 2:55 AM
[Posts moved] Ong posted 8/13/01 11:33 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name is Ong. Me throws hat in tree... again! and again and agai and again,,,,,,infinity, Joe forever will the hat be thrown in many trees!!! Alice In Blunderland posted 8/14/01 1:06 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There once was a Game called Ong Where the concepts were obtuse and long. If you followed the Rabbit You might just grab it. But in the end you could still be wrong. |
| Official Statement |
posted 8/14/01 11:47 PM
Ong's Hat Tantric Egg Research Center was a necessary ruse for deflecting attention from our real project-- to open up your conduits, brother and sisters, to rip off the confining condom of language and to Fuck Nature Unprotected. Doctor Jabir Public Relations Quantum Tantra Huh? I think I was mind controlled... What eBook? Joseph Matheny Incunabula Research Center Fuck Off! Peter L. Wilson AKA Hakim Bey Don't, don't! Don't unplug me! EmoryBot 3.0 (unplugged) Permission to repost Copyleft 2001 |
| Rev.Justin |
posted 8/15/01 0:51 AM
Gee IT dIdn't work... |
| Parsifal |
posted 8/15/01 1:07 AM
That's it?!?? I was hoping the official statement would tell us finally, once and for all, who(individual, group, or interdimensional entity) wrote the pamphlet!???!! |
| Rev.Justin |
posted 8/15/01 1:12 AM
Not only that, old Joe or whoever didn't seem to "Fuck nature unprotected" in my book. Basically if that is the end of the whole Incunabula phenomenon then with the selling of the e-books, Joe is nothing more than a profitable Macroteleport. Offering nothing more than "art"! Disappointing... |
| Parsifal |
posted 8/15/01 1:30 AM
It ain't the "end of the whole Incunabula phenomenon". I am still holding a few aces up my sleeves, anybody else holding cards who wants to continue playing the "game"? We could keep this "game" going forever. Hell, it will keep going by itself forever anyway. |
| Sparky - |
posted 8/15/01 3:26 PM
I'm still in. Still holding onto my pat hand. However, comma, I still have no idea who the 'Deep Throat' character is in this game. He has introduced some new twists into the adventure. To me, the game is still on! Who needs Majestic? This is one hell of a game!
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| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 8/15/01 5:50 PM
The game is still on, the empire never died, the egg is neither here nor there (not until the observer opens his/her eyes) & I once knew the secrets of the universe & all of creation until the acid wore off. Who wants to cut the deck? Who wants to deal? |
| The Caustic Gnostic |
posted 8/15/01 10:17 PM
Hey Sparky, I'm with ya. Alternate worlds are out there. What I think is being missed here is how the vortex influxes aether into space-time causing gravity. But what is moving in the vortex is consciousness - a baseline phenomena present throughout the universe. The question is really how one breaks the light speed barrier and figures how to thus move matter from one light speed barrier (or dimension) to the next, as well as how to navigate outside space-time. This may not require extra technology to pull off; it may be possible in body. Perhaps technologically speaking what is needed is a way to affect matter via sympathetic resonant vibration. What do ya think? |
| mooncat |
posted 8/16/01 6:24 PM
and now its time to abandon and nuclear destruct all the magick modules and return our ships to commercial service commercial towing vehicle Mooncat reports final jettisons |
| Harla Quinn |
posted 8/17/01 0:17 AM
Interesting responses....I'm amazed...Parcifal still has a few "cards" up his sleeve; Sparky is still holding a pat hand; Djinn's looking for a dealer; Caustic Gnostic knows about alternative universes????? OK... tell me more.... GO Fish....(hehehe) Hey, no matter what everyone's interpretation of the "official statement", the themes and science have a helluva lot of validity - I think EVERYONE here knows that which is why you are HERE and not joining in the chorus line elsewhere - and my efforts toward untangling the quantum entanglement question for me doesn't end with an 'announcement'. As Djinn probably knows (though I'm not trying to speak for ya, babe) there's a LOT going on beneath the surface and the "best" we can hope for from the recent exodus is that there won't be anymore disruption underfoot. (Jeez....I was hoping that until I got hit with all thse bugs...) The Majestic gamers will look for their clues and move on to the next level. The newbies and naysayers will point and laugh and pat themselves on the back that they "got it". (snicker) All that serves to clear the board - which is fine by me. Djinn, you termed it very well: "..the current change" is upon us...and there's more to come. If everyone wants to play another hand, I've found an unused chat room where we can all congregate and ask each other questions. I'm open to answering just about anything anyone wants to ask me (well...as long as we don't talk about feet, SPARKY!!) E-mail me and we'll coordinate a time and date and I'll tell you where it is. The empire never died. |
| Rev.Justin |
posted 8/17/01 0:54 AM
Harla, I wasn't commenting on the science and saying that travel into other dimensions or times was an infeasability. I was just commenting on the "official statement". In fact this just helped to narrow down avenues of study. I don't have many cards to play myself but I know when to hold them and when to fold them so to speak. Hope the problems with your computer work out and on to the next enigma! |
| Harla Quinn |
posted 8/17/01 5:47 PM
Absolutely agree, Rev. This narrows the field considerably, the wheat without the chaff so to speak. There are many "enigmas" which are still to be addressed. I hope the "company" remains the same. Thanks. |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 8/17/01 7:49 PM
Been away from the computer for a few days so I had some catching up to do. Wow. Harla, I understand the need for caution on your part, but I think the greatest weapon we have right now is the truth, subjective though it may be. I think the Convergence board idea is a good one, and I hope it flourishes. What I don't care for is the encouragement of more secretive measures: more private boards, chat rooms, and all that. That's what the troublemakers want. More paranoia, more fingerpointing, etc. Keep them divided and suspicious of each other. Leave that to the Montauk crowd sez I, they're good at it! Let's bring it ALL out into the open, everything. I'm sure Denny has at least some safeguards in place to protect the board from unwanted or unwarranted behaviour, hacking included. More openness, less secrecy please. I could care less with what others think of that, naive as it sounds. Otherwise we're just running in circles while certain individuals laugh their asses off at us. Fuck that. No more prodding & poking the lab rats thank you very much! |
| Harla Quinn |
posted 8/17/01 9:41 PM
Djinn (sigh - if you had ANY idea what lengths I had to go to just to make this post..) I totally understand what you are saying and you've misinterpreted my call for everyone to meet in the chat room. If no one has any problems, I'll post the URL and suggested date and time. The purpose IS for everyone to share their ideas. Apparently SOMEONE or some THING thinks I know something (what that might be, I have no f**king clue) since my system and my board has been under attack of late. I heard from Denny and he was exeriencing similar problems on his board. So, we decided to merge the two. I'm NOT trying to sound mysterious and secretive. But, "something" is going on and I don't know if it's I&OH related or merely has to do with the themes we've been hitting hard lately. If you read the other discussion boards there's really little there except "chat" and lots of conspiracy theories - same ol' same ol' - but we've been addressing underlying issues which I haven't seen anywhere else. Is this relevant? I don't know. I also just read that someone absconded with the servers at David Icke's site. Hoax? (shoulder shrug) You tell me. |
| Harla Quinn |
posted 8/17/01 9:43 PM
test |
| Harla Quinn |
posted 8/17/01 9:44 PM
test post |
| The Caustic Gnostic |
posted 8/17/01 10:55 PM
Those pesky fnords are at it again Harla! They seem to have a lik*FNORD*ing to all matters involving cha*fn0rd*os. Ahhh well, can't complain too much. Yes people have cards up their sleeves, and tucked away hidden in other hard to reach places ;-). And whats more, what would happen if there was only 7 'alternate' universes, packed around a central 8th? What if everyone ate nutella sandwiches for breakfast every morning and sang an ode to a dingo dressed in drag? Joseph, remember to eat your noon blue apples. They're good roughage, keeps your system clean. If you eat noon blue apples, the flow will never be constipated! LETS DANCE! But not just yet, I gotta live first :) |
| spaztic dragster |
posted 8/18/01 1:51 AM
zip a zag razzle dazzle jyp jag, ramma ramma gypsy trickter zamma zubbi, rip a rag, hey maaaan! don't be square, i dig you the most spoof!!!shmocK shmock...pooky lion says Hi POPS!!! HI TEENERS! chaos never died!...the con-spiracy is a loose caboose, and the more you try to make sense of it the more it eludes your small catch of ideas bout juz that is....the more stuff you put on the table(board) the more the imp of the perverse, is under that table tying your shoe laces together... a clue i am not responsible for the latest anomalys you be troubled with! but when i defend myself again from pompus snobs, the pompus snobs won out! i told you not to wimp out!,,,and of course you though OF COURSE THE SNOB WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOUR CAUZ!!! but he is just a small part of the problem, and i was juz a small part of the mirror held up to it, all the theory and quantum this and that nonwithstanding, do you think on the quantum level that we be attempting to imagine, that the quantum event(thing) gives a hoot about your technical language!...not that there isn't a place for that, but to put it on some sort of self-important pedistal, is missing the quantum zero point by several cosmic barns...! out of here@#$#@$^^^%^&**^&**&^*^(0)(-) |
| Djinn N' Tonic |
posted 8/18/01 4:23 PM
Harla, I hope the strangeness has calmed down a bit, also, I wasn't trying to obfuscate the problem by laying any blame trips on you. I'm just saying I don't think that such additional measures are warranted, we have the Convergence board now, & as Denny pointed out, we've been getting too fragmented of late. I think that while there certainly has been a great deal of investigative work being done here, other boards discussing related topics haven't been immune to the attacks either. What I'm saying is that there is a discernible pattern at work here. It's time to gather the wagons around and start implementing a little strategy. |
| Harla Quinn |
posted 8/18/01 5:21 PM
Thanks, Djinn. I have observed that all the boards are being affected, as I mentioned in my post in the other thread. I'm cleaning up this board as quickly as I can before I get kicked out, again, and will put these in the archives. I'm looking for a good search engine to put on the archives site if anyone has any suggestions. Let's "converge", shall we? |
| spaztic dragster (hoor) |
posted 8/18/01 10:41 PM
how convently you lump me with all the other people problems... that IS so phony of you!!!....Harla Shmarla!!! |
| spaztic dragster (hoor) |
posted 8/18/01 11:05 PM
by the way, PEOPLE!, notice how these (costodians) of the cyber babble space can only respond like typical snobs in society, by even being more (smug)self satisfied if that was possible, Dijinn the guy that took his name from me when i use to call myself jinncat listen to this guy, "draw the wagons around"...hey this is not a saturday afternoon grade D western where the cowboys shoot all the silly savages off thier ponys like in a crap shoot! see when all the high faluten talk is over and the magic angel dust settles, you are a little boy watchen crummy westerns, where the good guys kill the bad guys(indians)... All you people can do in obfuscate the absurd, and prepend that there really is some western rational behind your self-important discussions of the NEXT BIG THING!!! get it people Harla, and Colonel D-injun hot jenny, and Denny's phenomenal Dinner are going to bring you the NEXT BIG THANG!!! stay tuned, when buck rogers and Ginger rogers do a snappy tango in N-space and thier dog does a cute trick with a quantum bone toy, and maybe Al Jolson will show up and go down on one knee and do a time warp..'MAMMY" really until you imbrace the chaos (shit disturbed you will be Denny, Harla Dajin...and you can put on a really great Sho...! |
| Kaos's children |
posted 8/19/01 3:14 AM
It's our board now!!!!!! chaos rules!!!!!!! slign how furt your booze duff saw the twig ran with the rock little spastic farts alot dangles in the air vibes all around melt in your dazzleing dewdrop inn sing alot you horny queen! Sing Ha ha ha ha ha ha ja aj aj ja kakakakakakk la al ala al ala amm amamamamamma mamamamamamamamamamam cry for your mamy! ha ah ah ah aga ag ag ag ag afa afafa afaf af adadadadadadadada where's your daddy? heh your cat just barfed! |
| spaztic dragster (hoor) |
posted 8/19/01 10:41 AM
hey that was zippity do da zippity yaa, mister blue bird on my sholder, its actual its satisfactual, plenty of sun shine plenty of (Kaos)...mu oh my, my oh mu... planet X is on its way!!! boy guess i got carried away but i really do thing there is a deeper meaning to the blue bird on that shoulder, are things really so zippity in the do da? tune in tomorow, or the next day maybe that tar baby ain't juz a Disny cartoon after all maybe the tar nation has got the tar beat out of it...! and don't to forget to say greese! tell me over and ov-er yu don be-lief we be on de EVE of distruction..! singing Hidi hidi HO can't get me no satanic action is saten in G-forse is Harla a brazen hussy for fuzzy wuzzy fuzzy wuzzy was a chaosphenomenonshiftdisturbance.... plenty of moonbeams from moon eyed Mu plenty of secret hidden cryptic mysterous cosmic stuff coming down the quantum pike, on a multiplanar wave form,WwVWvWvWvWVvVvWVwVvWvv my oh my what a strange days have found us and tracked us dowwwwwwwwwwwwwn..... YA!!! |
| chaos poets unite!!! |
posted 8/19/01 6:26 PM
yip yip yahowie! zipidity zipididity WE be tracked painted labled and dried in the sun chaos rules this board till its demise is poetry illegal? is thought control perverse? Oh I got the book my book sez me god bow down you imbecilic clowns, bow down ta ta ta ta da ad ad adddda da da da tis a farce we reckon with the premise to speak is nill sound your horn aplenty the jester always weeps oh bla de oh bla da A new gel forms mold on the backs of our minds waiting for the glory of magical sunrises pulsating like willows with a bread crumb. Oh the willow my pillow fell between the cracks of the hooker's lust laden lips while waiting for the cheeseburger to fry. whoops goes the cusion whoopie cussions please dear sir tell me how your egg is boiled. Mine egg be not boiled, it is soft. softeggs lost to software tell tale signs of destined fornitude trapse through my soul while fingering the blinds that were pulled so my cousin could read the papers describing him as the new saviour with a cheese sauce so ripe that my nostrils flared in anticipation hovering next to a flying saucer just landed to see the mocking bird sing a new song devoted to the comming of age of an already forgotton rock star of the paranormal. |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 8/19/01 8:29 PM
I think you two will be very happy together at the catweasal board. Happy trails! Hitting the button...NOW.... Best regards, Harla Huzzy http://www.jaysnet.com/666bigbrother.html Big Brother |
| MITHRAS |
posted 8/20/01 3:53 AM
Excuse me if I missed something. I'm an occasional lurker who peaks in and out of the Incunabula "culture" just to see what's new. I am puzzled by the Matheny "Official Statement" and the lack of commentary about it on this and other I&OH related sites. What intrigues me is how JM (or Mike Kelly) seems to blow it all off as a game or experiment and nobody seems upset about it. I realize that the subject has opened many doors of research into other esoteric subjects, but what is everyone's opinion on JM's little "Project"? What was he trying to achieve? Did he acheive it? Was it a creative money making scheme, or did it run deeper. I just find it interesting that the person who started a mini-subculture that spawned several message boards and web sites could make such a final statement without ruffling any feathers. |
| Parsifal |
posted 8/20/01 11:42 PM
Mithras, I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but as far as I know Matheny did not write the original brochure. So he didn't start this thing, he is just the one that brought it to the internet. And I'm glad he did, otherwise I would have continued to have forgotten about the brochure. But I suppose he did start a "mini-subculture that spawned several message boards and web sites". I had held the original brochure, not a xeroxed copy, in my own hands many years ago and dismissed it as a hoax way back then. But why was it written and by whom? Matheny's announcement of course has not cleared this up. And since I live nearby Ong's Hat, I had heard stories about a "cult" while in high school and I remember reading about a raid on this cult in a small local newspaper. One year ago I came across the incunabula.org website. Prior to a year ago, I had no idea that the brochure I had read over a decade ago had been on the Internet all this time. During the last year I have been able to accurately remember many details about the story on the raid. I now know the date of the raid. The timing of the raid is very interesting. I believe I know where the rod and gun club is, the only place it could be. I still need more time to do more real research, the kind you can't do sitting at your computer screen. For example, I know there exists a newspaper story from a long time ago that I need to find and get a scan of, etc. These are just some of the "aces up my sleeves" I spoke of. When I can back up what I will say with evidence, then I will say it. There is no point in saying anything more than I have already said until then. The Ong's Hat story is not just a cyber myth to me. It has involved me into it personally. I am the exact type of person the brochure was intended for, the one in a million person that would actually read the damned thing cover to cover. Sure, I suspected it was a hoax, but I read and remembered it anyway, and always wondered about it. You see, it may very well be that the pamphlet was a hoax. But the person that wrote it must have had quite a bit of knowledge of the area and may have also heard of the raid that I heard of, and the cult that I heard of, and all the other things that I know about that the brochure hints at that I won't mention here, and used it as fodder for his fiction. Or maybe it is only disguised to look like fiction. Either way, I will eventually find out. So, you can see why Matheny's statement means so little to me. |
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Harla Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 8/21/01 1:15 PM
"...the counterculture was in many respects popularized, updated, mass-produced surrealism. Where the surrealists had prized dreams, trance states and automatic writing as paths to the unconscious, the counterculture substituted psychedelic drugs and various modes of meditation. Indeed, surrealists like Rene Daumal, a poet who left the movement to experiment with hashish, study Gurdjieff, and learn Sanskrit (and whose novel Mount Analogue wass an obvious model for Jodorowsky's The Holy Mountain), or even Artaud, who became immersed in Tarot, alchemy, Rosicrucianism, and peyote, were virtual proto-hippies. The more politically, aesthetically, and pharmaceutically radical elements of the counterculture shared the surrealists' belief that the transcendence of ego functions, the blurring of binary opposites a dream/daily life, work/leisure, social/political and the valorization of taboo practices could combine to change reality itself." http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky/hoberman.html "I have brought you this far, and I have been your leader. Right here I'll take off the cap of authority, which was a crown of thorns for the person I remember myself to be. Far within me, where the memory of what I am is still unclouded, a little child is waking up and making an old man's mask weep. A little child looking for mother and father, looking with you for protection and help - protection from his pleasures and his dreams, and help in order to become what he is without imitating anyone." Conclusion to "Mount Analogue" by Rene Daumal http://user.boardnation.com/yconvergence/board.cgi.html Convergence |
| Klyph |
posted 8/26/01 7:31 PM
Well, as you know, I've been out of the loop for a spell, and after reading the divergent boards have a question, "Who is Mike Kelly?" I know a Mike Kelly that lives in Tucson, but what's the relation to JM people keep refering to? http://indymedia.org/ The Hacktivismo Declaration |
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Harla QT Quinn (Moderator) |
posted 8/26/01 11:12 PM
Klyph, read the first post in this thread. |
| Klyph |
posted 8/27/01 5:27 AM
OK, I guess I'm a little slow sometimes. Mike, do you have any relation to the Mike Kelly I know? http://cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/HacktivismoFAQ.html The Hacktivismo Declaration |
| catweasel |
posted 8/27/01 1:17 PM
test post |
| Klyph |
posted 8/27/01 6:57 PM
Speaking of name changes... http://cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/jlo.html J Lo's butt |
| Bob Flanolanger |
posted 8/29/01 4:08 PM
Opps! It's still funny as hell though... http://www.snopes2.com/movies/actors/jenlopez.htm ICS News Netweb Newsroom |
| Ray Flanolanger |
posted 8/29/01 7:59 PM
From a strictly scientific frame of reference: http://dir.clubs.yahoo.com/Entertainment___Arts/Actors_and_Actresses/Complete_Category_Listing/Lopez__Jennifer/ Quetions surrounding relative sizes and things which are larger ,than they appear in the mirror |
| Bob Flanolanger |
posted 8/29/01 8:23 PM
I followed a link off of that page and then followed a lik to a link and I found an EGG!!!!!! http://www.afterthat.freehomepage.com/designs.htm ICS News Netweb Newsroom |
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