Author	Topic:   Cattle Mutilations
Gene	posted 10/3/02 0:37 AM     Cattle mutilations have been happening in the rural West for more than 30 years. Ranchers find bulls or cows in remote pastures that have had their reproductive organs, an eye, and part of one cheek surgically removed. There is no blood in the carcass, nor any blood or tracks at the site. Does anyone out there have theories? Some believe it's UFOs, others that it's a government experiment. My guess is that it's the work of a satanic cult with a helicopter and military-like crew, including a surgeon. I notice there are several Satanists on the PETA2 board. Do any of you have theories? What are the blood, reproductive organs, eye, and cheek used for? If it is people doing this, why has no one been caught or come forward? This is a more common activity than the [This message has been edited on 10/03/2002]
Grrrl	posted 10/3/02 2:45 AM     I personally am not a Satanist, but the last time I was reading on it Satanism had nothing to do with mutilating any living beings. Do you know anything about Satanism or are you just assuming things from what the mass media portrays it as?
Gene	posted 10/3/02 3:36 AM     I don't, nor pretend, to know anything about Satanism.. I noticed a post on the religion forum about something else I've never hear of, Santan...... something...... I'm not fishing for anything. Just wondering what might be going on. [This message has been edited on 10/03/2002]
Gene	posted 10/3/02 4:14 PM     Sparkles wrote about SANTARIA on the PETA2 religion thread, explaining that they do animal mutilations - not the Satanists. Is this true? Who is/was Santaria? The media always calls people who ritualistically mutilate animals Satanists, so I'm glad to be corrected. How do I find out more about Sa [This message has been edited on 10/03/2002]
Gene	posted 10/3/02 5:48 PM     I just learned that Santaria is the African/Caribbean Creole Voodoo religion. I should have known this because I used to drive taxi with many Haitians, plus had quite a few haitian neighbors. But thie riruals involved chickens and small animals. Also, they haven't been out West for the past 30 plus years. Do any of you have other theories? UFOs? Old hippie cults? The government? Millionaires into weird, cult-like power games? [This message has been edited on 10/03/2002]
Kim	posted 10/3/02 6:39 PM     Gene I am curious about your source that talks about these mutilations...I have some rancher friends I could pose your question to, but I'd like to know first where you got your info Thanks
Gene	posted 10/3/02 7:51 PM     Kim, my sources are ranchers with firsthand or secondhand experience. I travel to ranches in every section of New Mexico, and everyone I ask knows someone it's happened to, or, sometimes they bring out their own snapshots from when it happened to them. The photos I've seen have blown my mind, and they were taken by true blue, real deal working ranchers. You'd likely recognize some of their names if I said them. One's in the National Cowboy Hall of Fame. From corner-to-corner-to-corner of New Mexico, there have been mutilations. They all have the same characteristics and both bulls and cows are mutilated. Most ranchers know better than to report it, but word gets around to their neighbors. I've heard lots of fascinating stories. The animals/owners appear to be carefully targeted. It happens on Indian Reservations as well. Alamosa, Colorado claims to be the main center of this activity. Most reports date back 15-30 years ago, but they're still going on. A series of mutilations happend in the Cimarron - Raton area only two years ago. A cow was mutilated at Santa Clara Pueblo last year. Taos has had many occurances over the years. Circumstances are always very similar: remote pastures, similar, immaculate surgeries, no blood or tracks anywhere. Someone or something is doing it. If you don't buy the UFO theory, then who could it be? I've talked to a Vet who investigated one scene and he was astonished by the surgical skill, but said it could definitely have been done by someone with good training. I don't believe it's the government because I doubt they would be performing high risk operations killing tax payers' cattle. My guess is that a military-like crew with a helicopter could possibly pull it off. But why? "Hip" sources theorize that it's a power ritual, that power points on the animal are removed, plus, they're into it mostly for the sake of the ritual itself. I don't know. And I don't mean to make it sound like an epidemic. But [This message has been edited on 10/03/2002]
Kelli	posted 10/4/02 1:24 AM     ugh creepy. I dunno, I've heard that satanist do preform animal sacrafices. I don't like that religion tho, wheter they kill animals or not. There is this cemetary called Bachelors Grove in Chicago, and there are all these stories about ghosts and stuff, I'm not sure if that is true, but what I know is true is that cults preform animal sacrafices on cats and dogs. Sad, huh?
Kim	posted 10/9/02 1:16 AM     Gene I have done some inquiries about your "contention." to some Rancher friends of mine You would need to go to www.ranchers.net and click on the BULL session...scroll pretty far down(hope it hasn't gone into page 2 already) and look at the repsonses to Can you shed some light on this and I have numerous repsonses, from various ranchers...it is a mixed response, but the consensus seems to be either cult-like or various predators..its' at least interesting..and if you care, from there, you could click on the VEG-session which is also interesting.. just for your information... personally I dont believe there is anything truly *mystical* about it... lol Kim
Gene	posted 10/9/02 1:51 AM     Thanks so much, Kim. Soapweed sounds right on the money, and has an interesting story because I've never heard of mutilated calves, but the incisions sound compatible with what happens to bulls and cows. (I don't know if the females are mother cows or heifers). Obviously, I don't need convincing because I am certain; I've seen too much documentation from thoroughly credible ranchers. From what I've heard, it's mostly taken place in rural New Mexico and Colorado, but wouldn't doubt that it goes on up North. I've asked a couple of large, historic ranchers from Arizona who have never heard of it in their regions, nor have my limited contacts in Texas. Yet so many ranchers in NM have. This leads me to believe it's the work of a localized cult. Whoever is doing it is amazing beyong belief; they've never been caught, nor have any crew members appeared on Geraldo. It's not uncommon for the carcasses to have broken legs, which would be the result of being dropped from a chopper. But again, Soapweed's report is unique in that it was calves and didn't sound like a big scale production. Please post him that I don't think he's full of it and admire his candor. Tell him he has a lot of company, and many are very fine ranchers.
Kim	posted 10/9/02 3:31 AM     Gene You can post there...don't even need an email....See how they respond?? I was honestly confused by all their posts....some pro, some con...felt like a fool for ahwile, but felt like their expertise was of value....or don't you think so??
Gene	posted 10/9/02 5:01 AM     Kim, maybe I didn't read everything. I only saw one thread: Soapweed talking about firsthand experience and everyone poking good natured fun. I don't blame the guys giving him crap, It's a bizarre story.

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