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jojo posted 12/1/05 2:49 AM     Click here to send email to jojo  
Before I post something, I want to say hello and introduce myself first. I'm Jojo. I am new in this forum. In joining this forum, I hope to both learn from others and for others to learn something from me. Now for my post: I think having a purpose if life is very important because it will tell people what must they do with their lives. What is your idea on what is the purpose of life or why are we here? What should we do with our lives?
nameless posted 12/4/05 9:02 PM    
We are 'Here' because we can be nowhere else. Have you ever been.. 'there', for instance?...... What to do? You will do what you must/will, which is all you can ever do. Actually, we can 'do' nothing, all already 'exists'. 'Consciousness' just 'takes note' of one 'moment' and another 'moment'. Perhaps the closest we can come to 'doing' is directing 'consciousness' to the desired 'moment'. For instance, from the moment of the hammer falling, we would rather next 'occupy' the moment of the hammer hitting the nail instead of the moment of the hammer hitting our thumb. Various factors determine which 'moment' we shall 'occupy/be aware of' 'next'. Capisce'? I know that this is quite counter-intuitive and will take real effort to digest... 'Truth' is like that...
jojo posted 12/10/05 1:42 AM     Click here to send email to jojo  
I feel trapped with your answer.I feel that we have no choice in life? What do you think? Should we find out or decide why we are here? Should we find out what should we do with our lives or decide?
nameless posted 12/10/05 10:08 AM    
I feel trapped with your answer.~~~~~ I DON'T KNOW WHY. IT DOESNT REMOVE YOUR ILLUSION OF 'FREE WILL', IT JUST REDEFINES THE ACTION THEREOF. EXAMPLE; ALL MOMENTS OF EXISTENCE EXIST SIMULTANEOUSLY. YOU, AS CONSCIOUS AWARENESS, DECIDE TO BUY A PAIR OF BLUE SUEDE SHOES. YOU COULD HAVE CHOSEN THE BROWN OR THE HOT PINK, BUT YOU 'DECIDED' ON THE BLUE AND BOUGHT THEM. THEY ARE NOW ON YOUR FEET AND YOU ARE WALKING SOMEWHERE ENJOYING YOUR NEW SHOES. WHAT YOU 'CHOSE' WAS TO OCCUPY THE 'MOMENT' OF THE BLUE SUEDE SHOES! IT WAS ALWAYS THERE AND WILL BE, CREATED SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH YOUR 'DESIRE' FOR BLUE SUEDE SHOES. ITS LATE AND I DON'T FEEL THAT I AM EXPLAINING VERY WELL. LET ME KNOW.. I feel that we have no choice in life? AGAIN, WE HAVE ALL THE CHOICE IN THE WORLD, WE JUST ACTUALLY NEVER DO ANYTHING. NOTHING IS DONE BY OR FOR US. NOTHING 'MOVES' EXCEPT, PERHAPS, CONSCIOUSNESS. What do you think? Should we find out or decide why we are here? IF THAT IS WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU DESIRE, THAN OF COURSE BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF AND DO WHAT YOU MUST. ALTHOUGH WE DO NOTHING, YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING! *__- Should we find out what should we do with our lives or decide? I THINK THAT IF YOU WERE ABLE TO TOUCH THE CORE OF THE MOMENT IN WHICH YOU FIND YOURSELF, ALL WILL BE MADE CLEAR. THERE IS NO FUTURE, NO PAST, JUST NOW, JUST HERE. YOU 'DO' WITH YOUR LIFE WHAT YOU 'DO' WITH IT. NO 'SHOULD DO' SOMETIME. NO 'WILL DO', JUST DOING, BEING, WRITING, THINKING.. NOW! NOW! BUT IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE TO SEARCH FOR A 'FUTURE' OR EVEN A 'PRESENT', THEN YOU FOLLOW YOUR STAR! BUCKLE UP AND ENJOY THE RIDE. BE ASSURED THAT YOU WILL NEVER GO EXACTLY WHERE YOU 'PLAN', LIFE IS WAAAAY MORE INTERESTING THAN THAT! HAPPY TRAILS...
Dividian posted 12/13/05 2:51 PM     Click here to send email to Dividian  
exactly, living from moment to moment is better then having expectations of the future. That way you wont become disappointed with the future, it does make life a lot better and meaningful. to find meaning in this life you have to simply exist, do what your passions motivate you to do and simply be human, grow and seek without resistence to what fate ordains. Live only in the moment you exist in, where there is no past, there is no future, there is nothing to expect or look forward to.I was really high one day and thought of this:We live in one moment at a time, though there may be no distance of time separating one moment from the next. And since we live only in one moment at a time, the only two factors justifying there to have been a past, are our memories and impressions of it, and the congruent change of external objects to our memories and impressions. Yes, it appears this congruency between our past memories and past events vindicates there to have been a past and also the rapidity of time it all unfolds in gives it an almost tangible appearance too, but is there not be room for speculation? Perhaps I came into existence just now, and have had memories instilled into me to verify the position I find myself in presently, and so thus have little doubt for such a matter.
nameless posted 12/14/05 5:02 AM    
Memories are unreliable indicators of any type of 'Truth' other than the 'truth' of the moment. As (your) consciousness 'enters' (becomes aware of) a 'moment', the entire moment is 'presented' in it's entirety. That includes a particular set of memories. Perhaps in each 'moment' you become aware, you have absolutely different memories? A completely 'apparently different' person(ality)! One 'Self'.
Dividian posted 12/14/05 6:44 AM     Click here to send email to Dividian  
Hello nameless, So what your saying is that the memories I had in the past could only be true for the moment I had them in, while the memories of the future or present, could be only true for the moment I have them in. Interesting.. So past memories of my past could be completely different from the memories of the past that succeed them, and portray me to be an entirely different being with different experience and personality. That makes a lot of metaphysical hypothesists and theories seem more possible.. And perhaps its as you said in the other post, that were all gods dream, though I’m curious who exactly is god? Is he/she us? Or an independent force who were creations of? Are we all god dreaming the same collective dream, or are we creations of god and have the potential by growing through experience to become god ourselves and then master the dream to make it our own? My own belief is , under the assumption we really are God’s dream, that we are god because we have the potential to become god, but are not god because of our ignorance.
Alessandro posted 12/15/05 3:18 AM     Click here to send email to Alessandro  
We are here to make life whatever we want it to be.
nameless posted 12/15/05 9:32 AM    
Hello Davidian, almost there... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~So what your saying is that the memories I had in the past~~~~ YOU CANNOT HAVE MEMORIES *IN* THE 'PAST', ONLY *OF* THE PAST, AND IF YOU'RE GOOD, OF THE 'FUTURE' ALSO!~~~~~ could only be true for the moment I had them in~~~~~ EXACTLY! MEMORIES ARE ONLY ~IN~ THE MOMENT OF WHICH YOU ARE CONSCIOUS/AWARE, NEXT MOMENT, DIFFERENT MEMORIES. THIS IS WHY MEMORIES ARE NOT TO BE LITERALLY TRUSTED AS AN ACCURATE INDICATOR OF 'REALITY'.~~~~~~ Interesting.. So past memories of my past could be completely different from the memories of the past that succeed them, ALL MOMENTS EXIST AT ONCE. EVERY ONE! THERE ARE NO 'PAST MEMORIES'... THERE ARE ONLY 'MEMORIES' IN THE PRESENT MOMENT. ALL MOMENTS ARE PRESENT MOMENTS. MEMORIES ARE 'OF' A 'POTENTIAL OTHER MOMENT'. MIND LIKES TO SEQUENCE... and portray me to be an entirely different being with different experience and personality. YES!! HENCE, ALL IS ONE! ALL IS 'SELF'. I AM YOU AS YOU ARE ME AS YOU ARE HE AS WE ARE ALL *ONE* (GOO GOO GA JOOB! *__- ) ~~~~~~That makes a lot of metaphysical hypothesists and theories seem more possible.. ~~~~~UNDERSTANDING REALITY EXPLAINS MUCH, EH? ~~~~~~~~ And perhaps its as you said in the other post, that were all gods dream, though I’m curious who exactly is god? ~~~~~ I HAVE NO CONCEPT OF A 'GOD'. THE REALITY THAT I HAVE ULTIMATELY 'FOUND/BECOME' IS THAT THERE IS CONSCIOUSNESS AND THERE IS MIND. I HAVE NO REASON TO ASK WHO'S CONSCIOUSNESS, WHO'S MIND? THERE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A WHO. PERHAPS THAT CONSCIOUSNESS/MIND *IS* SOME KIND OF A BEING SUCH AS A GOD BUT IT IS POINTLESS TO SPECULATE FURTHER HERE. AT THIS POINT ALL THAT IS IS CONSCIOUSNESS/MIND ~~~~~~~ Is he/she us? ~~~~~ AS WE MERGE INTO REALITY/TRUTH THERE IS NO LONGER A 'WE' AS EGOIC INDEPENDENCE DISSOLVES INTO 'CONSCIOUSNESS' AND WE BECOME 'TRUTH'. WE NEVER 'FIND' TRUTH; WE 'BECOME' 'TRUTH'!~~~~~~~~~ Or an independent force who were creations of? ~~~~~~~ WE'RE 'CREATIONS' OF OUR OWN EGO, WITHIN MIND. ~~~~~~ Are we all god dreaming the same collective dream,~~~~~~ AH LAD, DO YE SUPPOSE THAT WE ALL ARE TRULY HAVING THE SAME MEMORIES? THE SAME DREAM? ALL OCCUPY DIFFERENT MOMENTS, **WE** OCCUPY ALL DIFFERENT MOMENTS, COMPLETE WITH DIFFERENT MEMORIES IMAGINING DIFFERENT EGOS IMAGINING THAT WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT PEOPLE! HAHAHAHAHA, A DIVINE COMEDY?? ~~~~~~~ or are we creations of god ~~~~~ CREATIONS OF MIND ~~~~~and have the potential by growing through experience to become god ourselves ~~~~ LUCID WITHIN THIS DREAM WITH GREATLY EXPANDED CONSCIOUSNESS~~~~ and then master the dream to make it our own? WE CAN, AND I KNOW THIS IN EXPERIENCE, AWAKEN TO THE DREAM AND DIRECT 'OUR' CONSCIOUSNESS TO THE/A DESIRED MOMENT, AS OPPOSED TO WHATEVER HAPHAZARD MOMENT CHAOS PRESENTS OR SIMPLY BE LEFT AT THE HANDS OF 'PROBABILITY'. FOR INSTANCE, IF I NEED TEN DOLLARS, I CAN PLOD ALONG THE WELL WORN ROUTE OF ACQUISITION, OR I CAN DIRECT CONSCIOUSNESS TO A MOMENT WHERE A 'TENNER' COMES FLOATING FROM THE SKY. ONE CAN SAY, IN A SENSE, THAT ONE 'MADE' THE MONEY FALL FROM THE SKY, BUT THAT WOULD BE INACCURATE. THE ONLY 'MOVEMENT' IS OF 'CONSCIOUSNESS'. IT CAN BE A VERY POWERFUL 'LIFE' (IN APPEARANCE) AND BE QUITE APPARENTLY CREATIVE (OR FEEL TO BE). AN I MAKING SENSE? THERE IS NO MOTION. EACH MOMENT IS A PLANCK MOMENT THAT IS SO SMALL THAT IT CANNOT QUALIFY TO BE EVEN THE TINIEST PARTICLE OF 'TIME'. ALL EXISTING SIMULTANEOUSLY. NOTHING 'MOVES'. NO TIME! BIG BANG, THEN....NOTHING...... My own belief is , under the assumption we really are God’s dream, that we are god because we have the potential to become god,~~~~~~ TO DISSOLVE EGO AND MERGE INTO CONSCIOUSNESS ~~~~ BE AWARE THAT WE ARE CREATOR GODS OF OUR REALITY IN THE CONSCIOUS CHOICE OF MOMENTS OF WHICH TO BECOME AWARE. TO WALK UP AND DOWN UPON THE EARTH OF OUR CREATION! TO TEND THE UNIVERSE OF OUR CREATION! I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA. WE ARE ALL *I*! WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN UNIVERSES, OUR OWN 'PERSPECTIVES', BUT AS WE ARE ALL ULTIMATELY *ONE*, AS WE 'EVOLVE' IN CONSCIOUSNESS, WE HAVE ACCESS TO ALL CONSCIOUSNESS, ALL MIND!~~~~~~ but are not god because of our ignorance.~~~~~~~ WE ARE ONLY NOT GODS OF OUR UNIVERSES BECAUSE WE HAVE 'FORGOTTEN' AND HAVE BECOME SLEEPWALKERS IN OUR DELUSION.
Dividian posted 12/16/05 7:24 AM     Click here to send email to Dividian  
AH LAD, DO YE SUPPOSE THAT WE ALL ARE TRULY HAVING THE SAME MEMORIES? THE SAME DREAM? ALL OCCUPY DIFFERENT MOMENTS, **WE** OCCUPY ALL DIFFERENT MOMENTS, COMPLETE WITH DIFFERENT MEMORIES IMAGINING DIFFERENT EGOS IMAGINING THAT WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT PEOPLE! HAHAHAHAHA, A DIVINE COMEDY?? How true, we all have different perspectives of this world, and consequently different a reality or a dream– I read before in the holographic universe, that there was someone who subconsciously tapped into the implicate order when writing a book, creating characters who uncannily resembled some people he met after publishing the book. He concluded afterwards that time stopped after the death of Christ, I think, and that all is just a repetition of one moment
jojo posted 12/16/05 11:40 PM     Click here to send email to jojo  
Is it possible that we ar here to accomplish a certain mission?
nameless posted 12/17/05 10:15 PM    
"Is it possible that we ar here to accomplish a certain mission?" ~~~~~ If you 'believe that it is true' for you, then, yes, it is true, for you. It is just a matter of 'perspective'. One finds one's own 'reasons'.. or not...
jojo posted 12/24/05 6:33 AM     Click here to send email to jojo  
Yes, I feel that I am here because I have a mission to accomplish - to take care of handicapped animals. Do you think you have a mission. If so what?
nameless posted 12/25/05 9:12 PM    
"Do you think you have a mission. If so what?" ~~~~~~~ Well, if by 'mission' you mean that we are 'sent' here by 'someone' that has a 'purpose' for our being here, like 'his' 'tool' then, no. No mission. I just do what I do the moment I do it. It all seems to be fine though. I always liked the warrior's idea, according to Castenada about whatever one sets one's hand to, do it with all thy mind and all thy strength and all thy might, knowing all along that life is a fantasy, a game with no meaning or importance.
nameless posted 12/26/05 7:16 AM    
Perhaps, like any half decent movie, we begin to 'find' patterns and themes in our memories of our lives. Perhaps the mind, by thought, translates these 'observations' into 'meanings' and 'missions'. Flights of fancy? Probably. Serious? As serious as anything else. I see no problem in directing one's life as if one were on some sort of mission. Why not? Why not be the stars of our own movie? *__-
jojo posted 12/31/05 1:04 AM     Click here to send email to jojo  
In the philosophy of Aristotle, each kind of creature tends toward the perfection of its own nature. Thus, for man, the goal - the purpose - of life is to achieve the virtues that constitute happiness.Great Ideas from the Great book by Dr. Mortimer J. Adler
nameless posted 1/1/06 2:30 AM    
In the philosophy of Aristotle, each kind of creature tends toward the perfection of its own nature. YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW WHAT I THINK OF ARISTOTLE. NOT VERY ENLIGHTENED, HEAVY ON THE INTELLECTUALIZATION AND THE MATERIALISM, LIGHT ON ANY REAL DEPTH AND UNDERSTANDING BEYOND THE 'SUPERFICIAL'. ~~~~~ I WOULD SAY THAT 'EACH CREATURE IS A MANIFESTATION OF THE PERFECTION THAT 'IS' IT'S OWN NATURE'! ~~~~~ Thus, for man, the goal - the purpose - of life is to achieve the virtues that constitute happiness.~~~~~ AGAIN, THERE'S THE RUB! SEEKING, WANTING, SOMETHING IN A NONEXISTENT FUTURE... A 'NEW HORIZON' OF UNDERSTANDING/PERFECTION IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE SOUGHT IN SOME NONEXISTENT FUTURE BUT IT IS SEEING (IN THE NOW! NOW! NOW!) THE 'OLD HORIZON' WITH ~~'NEW EYES'~~!! ~~~~~~~ Great Ideas from the Great book by Dr. Mortimer J. Adler ~~~ WHO?? *__-
Dividian posted 1/1/06 4:38 AM     Click here to send email to Dividian  
Happiness is a shallow emotion the result of delusions, the only thing that causes one to be happy is his desires being fulfilled in a rapid succession, one after the other perpetually. I believe it has nothing to do with expressing in a perfected form the nature of an object; in fact you make a mockery of such a thing by saying that. I would have to agree with nameless, though I would describe it in a different wording probably. That is, if I’m correct in what I assume you mean, which is that by seeing everything in the ‘now’, is to look beyond phenomenal existence, beyond the law of causality and to see the fundamental essence underlying everything (though it is still confined to the form of knowledge), and thus coming to the realization all is connected. Maybe that isn’t what you exactly mean, but that’s what I would say the perfection of nature is found in.
jojo posted 1/6/06 12:50 AM     Click here to send email to jojo  
According to Christianity, the purpose of life is to know, love and serve God so that to be someday with Him in heaven forever. God created us for His purpose, not for our purpose, and this is the purpose of life.
nameless posted 1/7/06 8:13 AM    
Fine, if you are a Xtian. Seems that there are different opinions, though, even among the various sects... Besides, what kind of a 'god' has 'needs'??
jojo posted 1/22/06 2:04 AM     Click here to send email to jojo  
In Christianity, God has no needs.
nameless posted 1/23/06 10:51 AM    
Oh yeah? Read the Bible? The monster god of the bible has all kinds of 'needs'. It needs to be worshipped and obeyed, it seems, or It'll 'get you'! Besides, someone must be needy to have/put-up-with people 'serving' him and doing his bidding.
Your Worst Nightmare posted 4/25/06 1:47 PM    
I don't know about you lot, but *I* am here because myspace isn't working :)
Furio posted 7/19/06 4:48 PM     Click here to send email to Furio  
I think it interesting to note that even now in this incredibly 'secularised' society we still look for 'the reason', the answer to the biggest question ever. If you're a hardcore follower science then we are here by chance, a mutation of genes gave us the ability to ask that question...would it be so absurd to say that there could be no decernable reason other than that of all other life; to perpetuate itself indefinately?Not that I'm religious nor a hardliner for science...I'm a sceptic...any answer will be flawed...we're just not meant to know...
Rudolph posted 7/20/06 5:21 PM     Click here to send email to Rudolph  
"we're just not meant to know"Destined so by whom?
Furio posted 7/24/06 10:48 PM     Click here to send email to Furio  
that's the thing we're not meant to know....cryptic ain't it... not a good answer but it's the best I've got and I get by with it.
Rudolph posted 7/25/06 5:26 PM     Click here to send email to Rudolph  
We all have to make our sacrifices, don't we?
headsmith posted 8/30/06 4:40 PM     Click here to send email to headsmith  
The original question was, Why are we here? In religious terms, to glorify God. In secular terms, to find meaning. In scientific terms, there is no answer to why. Why asks for a reason, or cause. Science always looks for a cause in order to predict and control the future. And so it can only answer the question with what went before. And it is going to whatever comes after. There is no larger answer from science.
jojo posted 9/1/06 11:55 PM     Click here to send email to jojo  
We may be here by chance, but I think somthings that happen by chance is a miracle - a miracle by a higher being. I read that the parting of the Red Sea was simply a high tide. But why did the tide rise when the Egyptians were crossing the sea? What a timing?As for science, it cannot answer some questions yet. The scientists 'answer is "We don't know."
ez posted 8/27/07 6:16 PM     Click here to send email to ez  
the fact that we even exist, but only in the thought has yet to be proven. -Rene Decartes how do you know we exist.
Bouch posted 3/27/08 7:34 PM    
I have noticed, that each of us, try to change life to their will. And when life changes like they want it, then they are happy.So the purpose of life, is to reach the ultimate happiness, through changing life, changing this/your world. And to reach this, you need to start small, by changing yourself.We are the next step in evolution. We create our own future. Our future is purely based on our imagination. Life is our creation.The purpose of life is simple. It's to follow our natural instinct, our imagination, that tells us how to build a future world that will make us happy.
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