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| Author | Topic: hypnosis dangers? |
| paulk |
posted 5/26/06 10:53 AM
The other day i was at my local golf club to drop in a few brochures etc. I went to ask the manager for permission to leave them and in his office sat another gentleman. I was asked what the brochures were about and when i told him hypnotherapy, the other man said in a rather agressive and confrontational tone that it was dangerous. I assured him that hypnotherapy was in fact very safe, to which he revealed that he new about medical risks as he had been a GP (medical doctor) for 45 years. He said it in a way which was intended to intimidate me, however he had met someone who was quite prepared and able to argue his case. I asked him to clarify the dangers for me and the only thing he could muster was that i may plant unwanted suggestions into someones mind. Why would i want to do that i asked? To which he replied i may do it without realising it. I accepted his point but said it was most unlikely. I asked if he had any direct experience of anyone being damaged in such a way, or any other way from hypnosis, he hadn't, replying only what he had read in medical journals, none of which he could remember. He then started to attack Osteopathy, another subject he seemed to know little about. The thing is, people, even professional medical people, are quite prepared to base their assumptions on very little information, or fact. Don't allow yourself to be intimidated by them. You will know much more than most GP's about what you do. My attempts to educate this particular man were met with the firm closing of his mind. Shame, i wonder how many people he had given pills to in his career who could well have benefitted from our therapy. |
| David J |
posted 5/26/06 12:12 AM
Hi Paulk,You make a very interesting though important point. Many liscenced professionals will do anything to discredit us and would love to see us go away. I read an interesting article recently about a hypnotist who was working with clients that a psychological group had referred to him and after they found out about the wonderful results he was obtaining they wanted to discontinue referring any more clients to him. You see, all they could say was that the clients were not really better they only felt better. Well, Duh. They insisted that people with the chronic conditions that these clients suffered would take years of therapy and would not really resolve the issues. Please believe me that I am not trying to discredit these liscenced professionals,I just think they need to see hypnotherapy for what it really is. I am only a student of hypnotherapy though I was trained as a counsellor. I think it is important for all students to be professional at all times when discussing our profession and help our profession move forward. I think the future for hypnotherapy is tremendous, and I offer Robert great praise for giving people the opportunity to enter this profession and help move it forward. Once again Paulk, I enjoyed your post.DavidJ |
| Richard Spencer |
posted 5/26/06 2:38 PM
In reference to your Doctor on the Golf Course... This springs to mind - Light travels faster than the speed of sound, which is why some people apear brighter until such time as they open their mouth to speak. (: |
| Richard Mulholland |
posted 5/27/06 6:11 PM
What an angry and frustrated man...I hope that you gave him a card and said that you can work on those issues!!It may have been worth pointing out the dangers associated with medicine...his chosen profession.I always find it amazing when people slate hypnotherapy yet can't actually back up their claims with any firm evidence. Remember you can't force someone to do anything against their moral or ethical beliefs...but with the use of pharmaceutical drugs you can, orisn't he aware of such documented side effects!!! Link deleted as advertising competitor's courses not allowed [This message has been edited on 05/19/2007] |
| Richard Spencer |
posted 5/28/06 12:22 AM
Did anyone see the HypnoSurgery on TV a few weeks back? (British TV) It was performed live on air. A young chap about mid Twenties, had a Hernia operation whilst under Hynosis. No medication required so once the operation was completed he sat up and was then interviewed on the operating table minutes after being sewn up. Other Doctors were also watching the procedure and were amazed by the results. So at least some sceptic's can be changed. They also mentioned that a hospital in Belgian applies this method on a regular basis and has performed over 20 thousand op's in the last few years. Remarkable! So in light of the odd people with blinkers over their eyes, some good comes through now and again. (: |
| Robert Shields |
posted 5/29/06 2:46 AM
Very interesting postings above. Hopefully they will prepare the new graduate to expect all sorts of 'attacks' on his or her profession by those 'ignorant people who think they know about Hypnotherapy but when questioned, know very little or nothing at all. Over my twenty years, plus, as a Hypnotherapist, I learned to just reply with one simple question to any 'attack' on my profession and that was to simply ask, "How long have you been a Hypnotherapist and where did you learn everything you know about it?" (OK, that's two questions:=). The above also reminds me of the time I successfully helped a terminally ill client (no money changed hands as I refused to accept a fee) and the local newspaper wrote a glowing article about him and how he was pain free without drugs. Within hours I had a call from a RC Priest who screamed at me hat I was doing the 'work of the devil'. I told Ernie (the client) and he told his friends and I believe the priest received over thirty telephone calls telling him what a pratt he was. To give him credit, he did write me a letter an apologised, explaining that he really had not understood what I had done. That same priest does not know that one of his present parishioners is my wife Nora (she is RC and I don't interfere with her beliefs). But I am sure all will be revealed to him when his day comes to leave this Earth:=) http://www.hypnotherapy-training.info A quality course at a sensible price. |
| Brygarv |
posted 8/27/06 10:03 PM
Paul, I am not at all suprised at your story. What I find disheartning about your story is that doctors are in the buisness of healing and helping people. To be so close minded as to assume that other techniques would not help a patient is ludicrous. I have noticed throughout my life that when a person attacks a subject, they are normally intimidated by it. I believe this doctor feels so threatened by the overwhelming success (and potential) of hypnotherapy, that he must use his medical journal readings to assure himself that he is not being threatened. He was really telling you that he was scared that hypnotherapy worked and was worried so he found something that reassured him hypnotherapy was dangerous. Most people only argue when they know it is true. |
| Richard D. |
posted 2/4/07 11:24 PM
RE: The ignorant onesHi folks; although I'm not a student...yet. I have taken a previous course (bad product, no success, no relation to Mr. Sheilds). I have an experience I'd like to share. While studying this previous course material and discussing it with a former colleague of mine; she stated how hypnosis is in fact witchcraft. I looked at her with amazement and flat-out denied her aligations. I couldn't believe what I heard. I explained how hypnosis deals with the often faulty programming of the human subconscous mind. She refused the explanation and along with our boss continued her insistance it is witchcraft. How's that for ignorance. |
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Robert Shields (Moderator) |
posted 2/4/07 11:40 PM
Hi Richard. The poor woman is probably a member of some form of organisation that has brainwashed her. Describing *anything* as witchcraft in these modern times shows a mind that cannot think for itself, so there is little or no hope for her. In my twenty plus years as a Hypnotherapist, I have seen it all and learned to just ignore those kind of people as they will only understand the truth after they have 'popped their glogs' and can see the truth from the other side. |
| Richard D. |
posted 2/7/07 5:25 AM
Hi Robert Boy you responded fast. The only organization she belongs to is this World and its' often very narrow points of view on various issues. She is originally from Newfoundland (I'm from Nova Scotia)and to be fair I am weening off the highly conservative attitudes of the East coast of Canada. I now live in Alberta where attitudes are much more progressive. Until arriving in Alberta I didn't think it possible I could learn Hypnosis. East Coast attitudes (in general) are that hypnotherapists have PHD's in Pyschology. I have learned not to listen to the nay-sayers but listen to my own heart. Which is why my own family has no idea I am persuing hypnosis as a part-time career. I mentioned faulty programming of this world for a reason. We are expected by the system to stay in our little pigeon holes. This way our minds and thoughts can be better patterned to suit our little niches as directed by public education and the system overall. Note the highly (publicly) educated medical doctor who couldn't backup his ignorance with hard fact. Like alot of narrow minded individuals, he most likely didn't investigate what he read and assumed it was accurate because it was from a noted source. My experience has been not to quote from sources unless you have independantly verified their accuracy. My long range goal with hypnosis is to clean-up my own faulty programming; then help others do the same with theirs. Thank for putting up with my little rant. |
| JC Moritz |
posted 2/9/07 8:36 PM
Having written a book on Hypnosis, I am familiar with the RC stand on hypnosis. Directly from my book:"In 1847 the Roman Catholic Church issued the following statement: 'the use of hypnotism is indeed merely an act of making use of physical media, and is not morally forbidden, provided it does not tend towards an illicit end..'”Perhaps he should familiarize himself with the proclamations handed down by his "infallible" spiritual leader, the Pope. |
| Stephen |
posted 2/11/07 10:30 PM
Hypnotheraphy is witchcraft! But you have to examine what you believe witchcraft to be. A witch, or "wise woman", was the one who helped bring children into the world, laid out the dead, helped with healing using either common herbs or common sense. This was the person that was consulted when someone had difficulties, the one whose advice was sought. It was only the actions of the church that gives us the "modern" view of satanism, etc. Someone call me a witch - I'd be flattered! Stephen |
| Nestor |
posted 9/27/07 4:07 PM
I agree with the previous comment, witches were the wise women, the shamans and probably they used hypnosis in their healing and trance states in their "vision Quests", only that the RC demonised this practice since it was direct competitión to their "divine" authority and as they used to do, they eliminated all competition by demonizing and burning them!. |
| Arminta |
posted 5/31/08 4:49 PM
There is a large difference between witchcraft and Hypnosis.. although I thought the compliments to the mystic women were very pleasing.. there is a BIG difference.. Hypnosis is a study of the mind and how the mind works it is more science based than Metaphysical based. Although we can use Hypnosis for past life regressions we can not however use hypnosis to make it stop raining or win the lotto.. now, many * wise people * may have used a form hypnosis to help others as a healing modality, I from personal experience can tell you that it is not rooted nor strongly practiced in witchcraft.. it is seen as a science based modality.Thank you. http://www.livingwellholistic.webs.com Holistic modalities |
| Arminta |
posted 5/31/08 4:49 PM
There is a large difference between witchcraft and Hypnosis.. although I thought the compliments to the mystic women were very pleasing.. there is a BIG difference.. Hypnosis is a study of the mind and how the mind works it is more science based than Metaphysical based. Although we can use Hypnosis for past life regressions we can not however use hypnosis to make it stop raining or win the lotto.. now, many * wise people * may have used a form hypnosis to help others as a healing modality, I from personal experience can tell you that it is not rooted nor strongly practiced in witchcraft.. it is seen as a science based modality.Thank you. http://www.livingwellholistic.webs.com Holistic modalities |
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