Author	Topic:   Q For Lightworker
Tiger66	posted 8/23/07 11:57 AM     How would you have an N do to try to make up for their transgressions.
Lightworker	posted 8/24/07 4:26 PM     Nothing really, since nothing can make up for all that. And that's the simple secret to NPD healing IMHO. Instead, what I would prescribe for an NPD that wanted to pull out of their nosedive would be to pick one simple aspect of their habitual nastiness and change just that one thing. This keeps the Rx simple and doable vs overwhelming and "undoable". For example, if a given NPDer, among other things, "enjoyed" giggling at how disabled people struggle to get out of their cars, I would Rx that they volunteer one day a week or month to repaint the blue lines around handicapped parking. It sounds absurd, but what it does is via repetition is to retrain the way the soul was originally damaged. By slowly tracing the outlines of the blue parking spaces the NPDer will begin to see subtle things about them..how wide they are, why they are that wide, how much more room a handicapped person needs because of their physical struggles. In other words in an indirect way it would put the NPDer in direct contact with the angst of another human being..in a simple way.. Once this Rx takes hold, the NPDer may then begin to notice other ways in which people OTHER THAN HER/HIMSELF struggle. It sounds utterly whacky and bizarre, but retraining the mind via simple repetitive techniques can work. My thoughts are that NPDers were trained wrong ways of thinking, using horrific means at times, at an early age, that it wasn't their fault, and that if we employ behaviors that directly oppose those original wrong traits (such as laughing at someone else's misery), the NPDers have a crack at reorganizing thought patterns to become more healthy and functioning.
Paper_Tiger	posted 8/25/07 8:55 PM     While the cluster B disorders have certainly been described as persistent, I have a hard time using the term 'habitual' or 'trained' to describe the behavior. It implies externally directed behavior with a conscious choice to comply. The disorder is a particular type of defense mechanism. While it is generally a reaction to environmental conditions, it is not a consciously chosen response. The concept that the behavior can be 'retrained', denies the fact that it was engendered during the formative part of the identity. Once the identity formation period is over, the idea that you can somehow turn back the clock to the formative stage and retrain the defenses out is a little simplistic in my opinion.
Lightworker	posted 8/26/07 5:49 AM     Something that is habitual is by definition rising from the phenomenon of unconscious compulsion. Splitting hairs may get us off track. I'd like to keep my nose to the grindstone and really take a close look at the nitty gritty, the big picture without getting hung up in minutia. I used to know someone who kept coversations from getting to the heart of matters by using diversionary tactics such as focusing on minutia in order to stave off the impending wave of truth staring her in the face. Not that that is happening here but I've seen it before.
Deanna_10	posted 8/27/07 8:12 PM     LW, Have you ever actually SEEN a disabled person get out of their car? I ask because, if you had, you would know that there is usually nothing remotely funny about it...and I do not mean "musntn't laugh at the poor cripps" nothing funny, I mean nothing funny AT ALL. A disabled person getting out of their car (whether unaided, or with assistance) is usually a skillfull and well choreographed maneouver that is impressive to watch. "Struggling" does not occur. When something DOES go wrong, the disabled person is usually the first to laugh ANYWAY...just like anyone else really. Regardless, WHY ON EARTH would a person with NPD enjoy giggling at disabled people any more than anyone else? NPD isn't about being any more actively ignorant than anyone else... It IS about turning your feelings inward, away from others, into self absorption..rather like you really...constantly straining to twist anything anybody else tries to say to suit yourself. D10
seeker	posted 8/28/07 1:31 AM       LW, are you for real? Your concept of those struck with NPD giggling at handicapped folks struggling to get out of their car is both distasteful and ignorant. BTW, what are the "among other things" you refer to that those with NPD might do??? What was that supposed to insinuate or allude to? I want to believe that you are sincere in your proclaimed interest in finding healing for NPD, but I perceive your posts as nothing more than self-serving promotion.
Paper_Tiger	posted 8/28/07 1:52 AM     Quote LW >>>>>I used to know someone who kept coversations from getting to the heart of matters by using diversionary tactics such as focusing on minutia in order to stave off the impending wave of truth staring her in the face. Not that that is happening here but I've seen it before.<<<< Have you ever heard of projection? Regardless - that we cannot turn back the clock to the formative stages of our identity is hardly minutia. It is an important fact that I believe is ignored in your 'retraining' theory.
Gattaca	posted 8/28/07 3:32 AM     "Regardless, WHY ON EARTH would a person with NPD enjoy giggling at disabled people any more than anyone else?" ------------------------------------------ Agreed. i'm too busy being self-absorbed to notice whats going on with anyone else! (i'm not even joking, lol) and on the rare occasion that i notice a disabled person, i dont find their situation funny. Believe me, i'm the last person who would say "Ohhhh! Somebody is different! Lets make fun of them and throw shit at them"... In fact, since having children (and thus, pushing around strollers) i've definately become more aware of the appalling lack of "wheelchair friendly" features in public places.
Lightworker	posted 9/3/07 1:11 AM     You guys are really great at evasion and turning things around. Kudos. "LW, are you for real? Your concept of those struck with NPD giggling at handicapped folks struggling to get out of their car is both distasteful and ignorant." **** True story. One narcissist woman I know had her son in a baseball playoff where my son was also playing. She parked her car next to mine and we both were watching sitting on the hoods of our vehicles. On one of the pitches a very small and frail boy was up to bat and then came a fastball. It hit him HARD and he went down crying and obviously hurt badly. I leaned forward with concern as nearby adults and the narcissist? I kid you not, she was GIGGLING on the hood of her car. She turned to me giggling still as is to share the "funnyness" of it all with someone. I gave her the look of death and she immediately feigned a new look, one of tragedy..in order to fit with my disapproval. Yes, laughing at handicapped people. That's exactly what I meant. And I've seen that monster with my own eyes..
Deanna_10	posted 9/3/07 1:18 PM     ...and, given the ethical status of medical confidentiality, how did you become privy to this woman's records and formal diagnosis? You didn't, did you? You just determined that she was a "narcissist" yourself, by peeing into your hands, reading entrails and listening to your personal wind or whatever, pseudo Shamanistic mumbo jumbo you use...if you didn't go one worse and make the whole thing up to score a point and defend your original, offensive, nonsense on the topic. D10
Lightworker	posted 9/3/07 5:05 PM     No, I don't read entrails, but I do read professional descriptions of NPD. Do you realize how condesceding you are acting? Just thought I'd call that to your attention.. lol See, having an NPD mom, an ex boyfriend, neighbor and various bosses who were textbook (according to the descriptions posted by Phds) cases of Ns I know this woman also is one. Her daughter came to stay with us off and on due to her total neglect and obsession with sexual conquests outside the marriage she was in. She left a wake of destruction in her path and is exremely callous in several other scenarios where she has neglected and abused even her own children..laughing it off as "funny" that anyone would even bring it up.. I know her WELL. Unfortunately. And she sat giggling as the boy at the baseball game lay writhing on the ground in pain. You don't need to read entrails to see a white elephant standing in your living room. I think, again, narcissists would LOVE to call into question laypeople's ability to spot them in a crowd. Narcissists DEPEND on stealth and secrecy in order to carry on their targeting behavior and abusiveness. To have every Tom, Dick and Harry running around with easy criteria to use to spot obvious grandiosity, callousness, pathological envy, or any of these easily recognizable symptoms: (1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) (2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love (3) believes that he or she is \"special\" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) (4) requires excessive admiration (5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations (6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends (7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others (8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her (9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes http://healnpd.org/newa/modules/articles/article.php?id=2 would be a very unsettling situation for the practicing NPD indeed. I understand your internal struggle in this sense.
Deanna_10	posted 9/3/07 6:39 PM     It is as I feared, you went one worse and made the whole thing up to score a point and defend your original, offensive, nonsense on the topic. D10
Lifesong	posted 9/4/07 4:06 AM     "...having an NPD mom, an ex boyfriend, neighbor and various bosses who were textbook (according to the descriptions posted by Phds) cases of Ns I know this woman also is one." Since it is known that persons with NPD equate to 1% of the overall population, I wonder how it is that you are encountering so many of 'them'? Could it be that you attract 'them'? Or could it be that you love to diagnose NPD? I suggest that you stop giving the board examples of NPD behavior such as giggling while watching a handicapped person exit a vehicle, or laughing at an injured boy. You are only giving yourself away clearly that you have no clue.. truly no clue... how to interpret and apply the diagnostic criteria of NPD. It is truly becoming laughable. I beg you to stop. If for no other reason than to salvage any remnant of credibility that you might still retain on this board.
Lightworker	posted 9/4/07 7:50 AM     I don't give a fig about my credibility here or elsewhere. Lack of empathy is a key symptom of NPD. A woman laughing at an injured boy is a clear and concise demonstration of lack of empathy.
Deanna_10	posted 9/4/07 12:31 AM     So, people who have NPD laugh at the disabled because you DIY diagnose anyone who laughs at the disabled (or just the small and frail) as having NPD? Do you have any idea how idiotic that actually is? D10
Gattaca	posted 9/4/07 6:38 PM     "I don't give a fig about my credibility here or elsewhere." --------------------------------------- That statement is very telling. i can believe that. And it clearly shows when you demonstrate that you are going out of your way to offend people here. ---------------------------------------- "Lack of empathy is a key symptom of NPD. A woman laughing at an injured boy is a clear and concise demonstration of lack of empathy." ---------------------------------------- Lack of empathy is also a symptom of ASPD, BPD, HPD, Autism, Aspergers Syndrome, PTSD, and Bipolar Disorder, among others. Lack of empathy is a NPD symptom, but its not the one and only, all important defining factor in the valid diagnosis of NPD. As a matter of fact, some NPDers ARE capable of empathy. i'd even go so far to suggest that MOST NPDers are capable of empathy and compassion, just a *diminished* (key word: "Diminished", NOT "nonexistant") capacity for empathy. "Capacity for Empathy" is subjective. i literally cried a few months ago, when i saw a i woman i dont know on TV from Africa, crying about how a crocodile had come out of the water and killed her 4 year old child right in front of her. i have a 4 year old of my own, i can empathize. i also laughed hysterically a few years ago, when Fabio was hit in the face with a goose while riding a rollercoaster: http://www.wasteoftechnology.com/?p=105
seeker	posted 9/5/07 7:36 AM       Gee, I wrote a post earlier, but somehow it was lost....I think I forgot to click the disclaimer box. Interestingly, though, I had the same reaction regarding the "coincidental" statistically-inproportionate number of NPD's in Lightworker's life. Gee, she must be one unlucky duck! It strikes me that it is much more likely that there is a need to categorize these failed relationships into a victimhood file in order to justify her obvious disdain. You know, too, people do not need to peg a personality disorder on someone in order to recognize their assanine behavior. Sadly, there are many, many people in this world who have assanine behavior...and even if it is predominantly so, it does not necessarily qualify them as "personality disordered." In my world, I look not to make myself the NPD "sleuth," but seek a better understanding of how I can modify my own behavior around the Narcissist who is my son, both for my benefit and for his.
Lightworker	posted 9/5/07 4:32 PM     You guys stop at nothing do you? So far I've been called "nauseating" "idiot" "uncredible" [paraphrased] and a host of other insulting things that I feel sure would be received poorly by other posters here if they were said about THEM for simply airing their opinions about NPD..I mean, that IS why we're here isn't it? What was this site for again? lol And now I'm "playing victim" because I know five or six narcissists out of hundreds of other people I know who aren't... Time for a math lesson I can tell... Guess what? If I know five hundred people, which is essentially how many I do know either personally or casually, and five of them are narcissists...this is in keeping with NORMAL 1% statistical models for narcissism within a given population.. What's next? I can hardly wait..lol
Deanna_10	posted 9/5/07 5:17 PM     Other posters here do not behave in the obnoxious, self-deluding way you do to earn such appraisals. D10
Lightworker	posted 9/5/07 9:57 PM     Oh lol OK.. I "earned" the nasty treatment for simply having observations on NPD. Please...I'm having trouble staying on my chair from laughing....and now for your next act..lol I want to clarify something: you can treat me as nastily as you want, say anything you think you can come up with to make my observations go away, but I remain undaunted. Having an N-mom like I do and dealing with her disorder for decades now has rendered me...um...a little "numb" to manipulative criticism such as the brand you're currently dishing out.. Oh, no, wait a minute..that's right.. I "earned" it.. lol *whew* Now where have I heard that line before? NPDs really are interchangeable...
TrustingSole	posted 9/7/07 12:48 AM     Lightworker is over on this board too: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Adult-ChildrenOFNarcissits/ Dispensing more of her nonsense and b.s. to hurting vulnerable N-victims http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Adult-ChildrenOFNarcissits/
Gattaca	posted 9/7/07 2:10 PM     Lightworker, have you ever thought that maybe your "observations on NPD" may come across as rude, insulting, offensive, dehumanizing and bigoted, which may be why you are receiving the type of feedback you are yourself offended by? Not everyone here that you have offended has NPD. Some have publicly stated that they are Nons with NPD family members. Maybe, just maybe, you get what you give.
Lightworker	posted 9/7/07 3:27 PM     No. I don't consider offending people with frank observations that I have. If I am demonstrated to be wrong, I can see that and adjust my way of thinking accordingly. But instead of that happening here's the pattern of what is actually happening. 1. I make a statement about an observation I have of NPD. 2. Someone reacts to it by calling me insulting names and telling me I should be embarassed about myself and my observations. 3. This is exactly what I grew up with and the exact tactic N-mom used to keep me quiet and always second-guessing what my five senses were telling me. ***** This isn't the same as someone explaining calmly the difference in their outlook...it is reactiveness. I have a background in scientific examination (thank god) so emotional outbursts aimed at manipulating me into "backing down" on my observation just won't work. What does work is lucid and thoughtful debate. Which from all accounts is in short supply here. (And no dear NPDs that won't be a launch to encourage me to go elsewhere. I don't give up that easily anymore)
Gattaca	posted 9/7/07 6:46 PM     "1. I make a statement about an observation I have of NPD. 2. Someone reacts to it by calling me insulting names and telling me I should be embarassed about myself and my observations." ---------------------------------------- If you are reffering to the thread in which you misrepresented, disrespected and exploited my dead friend who can no longer speak to himself, then yes, i am going to point out just how offensive and insulting that is both to him and to the people who knew him and who care about him. No matter how many times i or others point out that your behavior mentioned above is deeply offensive and hurtful, you are either incapable of the empathy required to understand and respect our feelings on the matter, or you DO understand, but are so hateful and prejudiced that you just dont care, or worse yet get some kind of sadistic pleasure out of it, and so go on INTENTIONALLY offending and hurting people. That amounts to more then simply making harmless observations on NPD. How would you feel if your best friend was a devout pacifist, he/she died and then someone who never knew him/her came along and started taking things he/she had written completely out of context to promote a pro-war agenda? And the fact remains that "lack of empathy" is not a trait exclusive to Genuine NPD. Some people here have children who have been diagnosed NPD. When you go on about those individuals who actually have this disorder, making dehumanzing statements such as "N's really are interchangable" you are insulting someone's child. Yo u may feel no love for your mother, but many people here love and care very deeply about their loved ones (who have actually been professionally diagnosed)with NPD, and as a parent, i can imagine having my own child talked about in such a condescening, dehumanizing manner as deeply offensive. Instead of giving advice on how others should try to develop a capacity for empathy, maybe you should work on developing some empathy of your own.
Lightworker	posted 9/7/07 8:08 PM     Here we go again. You are acting REACTIVELY. Plus, you are spouting insults saying in effect that I was "disrespectful" of Tony Brown. Please provide the quotes you are referring to when saying I insulted him or was in any way disrespectful of him. On the contrary (and you damn well know it) I've been nothing but complimentary to the guy's viewpoints on NPD, which are there in print for all to see. If you're going to say Tony's view was such-and-such, then again, provide the quotes. Quoting people is an excellent way to stay honest and avoid mind games where the past is revised in order to badger someone..
Gattaca	posted 9/7/07 8:52 PM     Could you possibly any more blind and insensitive then you already are? Seriously. "Poor me! Nobody likes me! Everyone is being mean to me. Well there must be something wrong with EVERYONE ELSE here, because it couldnt POSSIBLY be ME!! WAHHHH!" Take a look in the fucking mirror. Or try to re-read what you just wrote above from the perspective of someone who is NOT a self righteous, paranoid professional victim. Oh wait, if that were possible for you, you probably wouldnt have gone on making such a ridiculous self-pitying martyr of yourself for so very long. i feel sorry for your poor mother.
Deanna_10	posted 9/8/07 0:31 AM     Gat, Don't waste any more time on her. I'm not going to. I realised I was coming perilously close to "looney baiting" with her and I don't want to be the sort of person who would do that. Your posts here, since my last one, said some really profound and just things. Anyone who cannot respect an appreciate those words is honestly beyond salvage. D10
seeker	posted 9/8/07 3:32 AM       Lightworker wrote: "NPDs really are interchangeable..." Indeed, that is insulting. Not just for me as a mother of a son with NPD, but for all of humanity. How dare you? You speak of those afflicted with NPD as objects, not people. What gives you the right? In another thread you mentioned you like to think of yourself as "the cream of the crop." I find that very telling. I don't expect you will apologize for your insensitivities, I just needed to express my disapproval of your arrogance. I already know you don't "give a fig."
Lightworker	posted 9/8/07 6:06 PM     No quotes from my posts about Tony Brown yet. When you hurl accusations at this poster, be expected to back them up with quotes. No quotes= a bunch of hot air and posturing. Not that narcissists would ever think to revise history to smear someone's image....lol Quotes please
Scar Tissue	posted 9/8/07 9:39 PM     Quote Lightworker aka ssilhouette "Hobbies: Mushroom hunting."
Lightworker	posted 9/9/07 5:49 PM     Yes I do like the boletus especially. Chantrelles are good too. But my overall favorites are hedgehogs.
Scar Tissue	posted 9/12/07 1:43 AM     Maybe with a couple psilocybe cubensis thrown in for shamanistic flare?
sallymander	posted 9/13/07 6:46 PM     Don't TROLLS eat mushrooms??
Lightworker	posted 9/16/07 3:29 PM     say, you two gals are acting quite a bit like posters I know from ACON. Seeing as how you're names are new here just upon barb's stalking there...must just be a coincidence eh? No, I don't like magic mushrooms. And you cannot lump every person who reads Castaneda into one group that you can hate. Though I know you'd like to.. Are you aware how much like narcissists you're acting?
Scar Tissue	posted 9/18/07 2:42 AM     You can't lump every person into one group? You mean like "NPDs really are interchangeable" Where's my 'easy button'?
Lightworker	posted 9/25/07 4:44 PM     Point well made. Not every narcissist is exactly alike. But they do behave in predictable ways that give the diagnostic criteria of NPD validity. The crucial difference between sober people and mentally instable people is flexibility. NPD sufferers are rigid in their responses to the world. Rigid people are predictable people. Predictable people unfortunately are more prone to be labelled; and correctly so, however uncomfortable that is to swallow.
seekeroftruths	posted 9/27/07 5:48 AM     I think you are wrong ...yes in order to be diagnosed NPD they must have certain aspects of personalty in common but there are many sub groups and diferances in personality that make each NPD unique .And while they may seem predictable in some ways they really are no more predictable than any one else...You for instance seem very predictable to me ...
Scar Tissue	posted 9/29/07 3:50 PM     Yes. Predictable. Predictable enough to have been led down the mushroom path... like a trained dog. Is this what you had in mind with your 're-training' strategy, Lightworker? How did that feel?
Lightworker	posted 9/29/07 11:48 PM     I don't know. Once again babs, if you're referring to Castaneda, I don't think you've read his works. If you did, you'd know he QUIT his apprenticeship with the sorcerer don Juan because he was sick of psychedelic plants and was becoming very frightened of his experiences with them. He re-established his contact with the old sorcerer only on the condition that psychedelic plants be discontinued. It was so and his adventures with don Juan for the next 8 books were those of the mind, not of drugs. And they are just books. Try to keep that in perspective. I sure do. I don't use psychedelic plants. I tried them twice in the seventies and HATED the experience as a teenager. I never did them again. Back from the attempted diversion from narcissism.... "I think you are wrong"? It sounds like you think I'm only partially wrong. Why not qualify your statement as such? Rhetorical question, I know. Ns like to think of terms in black and white. So for you it's fun to say I'm 100% wrong. It makes you feel elevated about yourself... Another of the rigid, predictable symptoms of NPD as it turns out...
seekeroftruths	posted 10/1/07 10:04 PM     Dear LW you like to answer with a question don’t you ,pretend you don’t know what I am referring to and basically call me an NPDer .Now that was predictable !..in case you are too slow to work out what I think you are wrong about ,it was quite clear I was referring to your assumption that all NPDer are predictable and interchangeable...That they are all the same ,they are not!
sallymander	posted 10/8/07 1:33 PM     She not only accuses people she disagrees with of being NPD, LW accuses people of being someone else! WTH?? LW if you are so forgiving and compassionate towards NPDers why do you call others NPD? You believe you are being stalked? You do not practice as you preach it seems
Scar Tissue	posted 10/9/07 1:11 AM     LW - you don't even realize what I meant by "led down the mushroom path". I could care less if you eat shrooms. Go back and look at the string. You will see that after you generalized about NPDer's, I simply generalized about you. When you expressed the inevitable discomfort with that, I took the opportunity to shove your own generalization back in your face. Kinda like a dog that poops where they shouldn't. You're being retrained.
Ruby	posted 10/13/07 5:32 AM
Lightworker	posted 10/14/07 6:09 PM     Not likely. When the shoe fits it fits. When it doesn't it doesn't. If you have any misgivings about who has NPD here and who doesn't, just read the DSM criteria and apply them to each and every post without looking at the auther of each post. Put your hand or a piece of paper over the name and just pay attention to the content...like veiled or outright putdowns and seething venom. Am I "too slow" to pick up on what you're driving at? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how you look at that put-down. Maybe since I suspect you have undiagnosed NPD, I'm looking at all of your nasty insinuations and frothing at the mouth as exactly what it is: NPD posturing. Which, like I said before, is like water off a duck's back. Call me what you want. Just because I'm inattentive to your put-downs doesn't mean I'm not aware of them, only that I choose to see them in a light that reders them "understandable" considering their source..
seekeroftruths	posted 10/15/07 1:46 AM     Lighttworker OMG do you even read your own posts? When I do what you suggested and read on content alone ,it is often your posts that stand out with “ veiled or outright putdowns and seething venom.”. so by your own judgment you most defiantly have NPD…But I may add that it is totally ridiculous and presumptuous to think you can diagnose a serious personality disorder based on a single post …you know some people just don’t like you ,it doesn’t mean they have to be NPD to dislike you …or maybe in your world that is all it takes for you to judge people .You know I think that may be the grandiose thoughts making you so sure of your self…maybe you need to go talk to some one about Your NPD its really showing …
Deanna_10	posted 10/15/07 2:29 AM     I have to agree that the only posts I have seen here lately that fit any of the criteria for NPD at all are Lightworker's (though I would ask myself just WHICH version of the DSM she got the "seething with venom" criterion from?). Curiosly I think she accuses people of having NPD for attention, completely oblivious to what reality that highlights about her own nature. D10
Gattaca	posted 10/15/07 5:57 PM     Definately, by LWs "post screening critera" LW herself undeniably has NPD. Although i get a very BPD vibe from her. The whole BPD professional victim thing.
Deanna_10	posted 10/15/07 8:17 PM     Hmmmmm, Dunno Gat...not all victims are professional after all, for some it is just one bizarre hobby among many, and I suspect LW falls into that category. D10
Lightworker	posted 10/16/07 7:13 AM     yes, we should all be aware of the symptoms of undiagnosed NPD.
seekeroftruths	posted 10/16/07 8:59 AM     we are well aware of the symptoms ,but you seem unaware that you are displaying them Lack of empathy :You displayed that when you were asked to stop talking about some ones friend who had recently died and you refused to do so…and then you were told just how insensitive it was you did the old N trick of asking for proof that you even did anything…come on you know you posted a lot about the guy why should anyone have to paste and copy it… Grandiose sense of self importance :I remember reading you saying you feel superior to others above us all.. Believes to be special/better than others: You display that in your belief you have some special ability to see Ns every were ,you KNOW who is an N even before anyone else ,You Know just from reading one post Preoccupied with fantasies;; well we know you do that.. Requires admiration : well if you cant get it you settle for being disliked and tell your self we are all Ns so its ok we don’t like you. Shows arrogance : well I have seen plenty of that from you.. I know you will not agree with this ,it is in your best interest to see me as an N and so attacking you but I am no N and I am not attacking but telling you straight how I see it ,you are very fond of throwing the N word at people so much so that you see Ns around every corner but the N you really hate is the one in the mirror. If you are not an N you are at the very least a very angry ,nasty person who likes to denigrate people .
Deanna_10	posted 10/16/07 2:55 PM     Seeker of truth, the ONLY thing that prevents me from agreeing with you is a fear of insulting those diagnosed with NPD by even SUGGESTING they, or their behaviors, have anything in common with the ignorant, abusive attention seeker who calls herself "lightworker". D10

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